On a Second-Order Pragmatism

luka

Well-known member
Staff member
It's not about control. I'm trying to point something out to you. So you can have a moment of self reflection. im trying to help you. why not just go, oh yeah, I have been a bit grumpy recently, fair point, I'll tone it down
 

sufi

lala
Disputes and conflict are inherent, I guess, part of the process, things need to get worked out, at nano and mega scale it seems
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
im trying to help you
lmao sure you are. definitely not just typical luka mind games, like always.

I admitted - multiple times, before anyone had to "point it out" - that myself, so no, you ain't a helping hand

just another in the sprawling epic of your obsession with controlling (the truly sad part) a message board

well, I wish you good luck with it
 

constant escape

winter withered, warm
More one sentence encapsulations:

The backbone of capitalism - the optimization of growth - might be an expression of our essence, but the means by which capitalism expresses this essence are by no means essential, by no means fixed, by no means absolute.

As systems combine to form larger systems and set the stage for arabesque phenomena to emerge, so we humans, as such phenomena, find ourselves lodged at a fixed scale in a fractal system that has much to gain from our cognitive capabilities.
 

luka

Well-known member
Staff member
lmao sure you are. definitely not just typical luka mind games, like always.

I admitted - multiple times, before anyone had to "point it out" - that myself, so no, you ain't a helping hand

just another in the sprawling epic of your obsession with controlling (the truly sad part) a message board

well, I wish you good luck with it

Alright, well I'll just block you then cos you're really detracting from my experience and that's no good.
 

sufi

lala
I mean this conversation would not work like this in private - that's relevant

Fair point, I'll tone it down
good of you to be so conciliatory🤣🤣😂
More one sentence encapsulations:

The backbone of capitalism - the optimization of growth - might be an expression of our essence, but the means by which capitalism expresses this essence are by no means essential, by no means fixed, by no means absolute.

As systems combine to form larger systems and set the stage for arabesque phenomena to emerge, so we humans, as such phenomena, find ourselves lodged at a fixed scale in a fractal system that has much to gain from our cognitive capabilities.
I don't know why you go on about capitalism like it's inevitable or desirable? and growth is questionable too
I wonder does money itself automatically drive exploitation?
 

constant escape

winter withered, warm
I think at the scale of economic systems, the system "moves" or develops toward an optimal expression of organization, and an optimal rate of increase of organization. This can also shed, however ugly it may be, a light on -isms like imperialism. Not saying that they are necessarily here to stay forever or that they are absolute, but they take hold, or amass influence, because something about them qualifies them as conducive to the forces that propel the organization of matter. These forces might express themselves by different rules/principles as they scale up in size and complexity.

Until we can find a better medium for this kind of growth than money, it will continue to reign as it does. By better I mean more conducive to self-organizing systems.

What function, precisely, does money serve for these systems? I'm not sure, maybe its just an optimized (more mobile, more quantifiable, more systematizable, etc) representation of value? Why, because it is largely dividual/divisible in more flexible ways than other material commodities?
 

luka

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Staff member
Disputes and conflict are inherent, I guess, part of the process, things need to get worked out, at nano and mega scale it seems
It would be better if more people took responsibility rather than it always having to be me going can you stop acting the cunt. I'd like it if it was shared around a bit really.
 
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