Riders on the Storm

[catalog]

And i know what yo7 mean, the doors are a bit cringe, but i just have a thing for em cos i got into em first, when i was young, so that never leaves you

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

An American Prayer isn't adlibbing btw. it's poetry - I guess you'd call it spoken word now - Morrison recorded the year before he died.

then the other guys reunited after his death to create backing music for it

so that's his poetry, direct and uncut

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

Lou reed is a bit of a twat as well though isnt he?

"a bit of" is a very drastic understatement

 

[catalog]

This reminds me a little of what barty said about droids hatred of paul and linda mccartney... for someone who hates something, you certainly know alot about them.

I think in both cases its about the conversion experience, ie you hate them now cos you used to love them

 

[catalog]

Which is interesting.

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

he was super bitchy no doubt, especially in the early part of his solo career, definitely mellowed out a lot once you get past the late 70s

it was partly schtick/partly real. like Iggy, Bowie, etc.

Morrison wasn't bitchy like that. he'd be a moody/lethargic/dreamy figure and/or completely zonk out on downers and booze. achingly handsome.

I think perhaps he was ahead of his time in a way

imagine him fronting Pavement, where artiste pretensions can be covered under layers of endless irony

or something like the Jesus Lizard, tap into the elemental primeval force he hints at sometimes

he's simultaneously an archaic figure, a Romantic. kind of a first as tragedy, then as farce version of Lord Byron.

anyway the difference with Lou Reed is that he made great art. Heroin. Street Hassle.

life's full of sad songs.

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

I think in both cases its about the conversion experience, ie you hate them now cos you used to love them

lol fuck no

I had no strong feelings about them either way until about 15 years ago, just another whatever boomer rock icon

then I had a moment of epiphany - was in a grocery store and they were playing when I got up to the cashier and we looked at each other in the same moment and were like "wow the Doors are absolutely fucking terrible"

but the evidence certainly bears epiphany out

admittedly part of it is knowing and caring about, guitar musics, the psychedelic, counterculture, etc

so it's not conversion, but I am invested in things which make me dislike them because they do those things a disservice

 

[catalog]

Yeah, i do understand that, like im sure there are some things in music that viscerally annoy the shit out of me, but cant actually think of any right now.

You gotta remember he was only 27 when he died tho.

I might go listen to some doors right now, this is making me nostalgic.

I like the vu, but really only sister ray. I find heroin and waiting for the main really ugh

 

[mvuent]

a large part of the problem of the Doors as I said is not their fault, but what they stand for

what I really hate is the cult of Morrison. the guy was a brooding tortured soul fuckboi who drank himself to death at 27.

well there you go.

 

[craner]

I always love Padraig's Doors rant and agree with every word.

Except the bit about Velvet Underground being any good.

 

[mvuent]

i guess the thing for me is that people always say about jim morrison. "he was a lousy poet!" but i don't really care how he measures up against emily dickenson or robert frost. he was, whatever he might have said, a rock singer. and to be good in that role, imo, you don't need to have any amazingly deep insights into the human condition. (i'm not sure who in rock would meet that standard.) you just need to be entertaining and unique. which, proto-fuckboi or not, i'd say he very much was.

 

[mvuent]

i should probably go to bed soon

absurdly optimistic in retrospect


this has been compared to riders on the storm right? did i just make that up? but riders on the storm has a lot more propulsion, is less overtly spooky and cold. a ghost on the highway rather than a ghost in the woods.

 

[mvuent]

a good point padraig's brought up is that "counterculture" might not be the word to use. in some ways the doors embody LA in the 60s, but not exactly in that sense.

 

[version]

I find Morrison's poetry doesn't bother me too much because I don't really pay attention to what he's saying most of the time and like the sound of his voice. I cba with something like Horse Latitudes though.

 

[version]

The Stone film's ridiculous. That bit where they're tripping in the desert...

:crylarf:

 

[version]

I think liking The Doors and buying into the cult of Morrison are two different things. The same goes for the VU and Reed. I love some of their stuff, but he's an arse.

 

[Benny Bunter]

Lol, this again!

I've got the LA Woman album on now actually and it still sounds grand. Title tracks got that groovy motorik thing going on.

I got into them in a big way when I was about 15, thought stuff like the end was mindblowing at the time. Then as time went on and I read more about Jimbo I really went off them for a while, not quite padraig level hatred though, but I can see where he's coming from.

But I'm bang into them again nowadays. A fair few duds and cringiness, but between the 1st album, LA Woman and the greatest hits they've got loads of tunes. Far better than the MC5, who are surely one of the most (critically) overrrated bands of that era

 

[Benny Bunter]

Even if you despise the doors this record alone justifies their existence IMO

 

[mvuent]

But I'm bang into them again nowadays. A fair few duds and cringiness, but between the 1st album, LA Woman and the greatest hits they've got loads of tunes. Far better than the MC5, who are surely one of the most (critically) overrrated bands of that era

upvoted

 

[forclosure]