Benny Bunter

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100% respect to Little Richard (RIP btw), of course, for many reasons

but 50s rocknroll is sonically for me beyond the time barrier - like, it sucks

guitars get interesting for me starting in about 1965

The 50s rock n roll thing isnt a problem for me, I love it and theres definitely loads of sonically interesting stuff - spooky reverbs and tremelos and that. Loads of raw, weird, manic rockabilly. Sun records. Same with blues and rnb at the time - Bo diddley not float your boat? Link wray?
 
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catalog

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rockabilly! link wray is fucking brilliant. alot of 50s stuff is excellent, in the UK as well, all the joe meek stuff. there's this guy dave berry, he had a tune 'strange effect', which is amazing
 

padraig (u.s.)

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Bo diddley not float your boat? Link wray?
of course one has to respect it as the origin/inspiration of all those later things, none of it is remotely interesting, no

all that sonically interesting stuff was done in infinitely better and more interesting ways later on

I used to date a woman from Memphis who had worked at Sun Records (it's a museum now) and this was always a point of contention

but no, it's all boring and completely unlistenable
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
rockabilly is if anything, worse, tho tbf that's the fault of revivalists like the Stray Cats + whatever as well

I also could not give less of a fuck about old blues records

or jazz before Coltrane/Coleman/Dolphy/Ayler (with the exception of Mingus), tho I don't really like jazz much anyway, so
 

padraig (u.s.)

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the psychedelic time barrier I imagine is a big factor I think, i.e. that stuff all exists in a pre-psychedelic - at the mass society level - modern world
 

catalog

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I dunno, some of that stuff is pretty out there. Like muvents other thread, about the 80s being the new 50s, I think there's some truth to that. Like a lot of interesting music, films, writing comes from the 50s
 

padraig (u.s.)

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the only thing 50s rocknroll has going for it is energy

and garage rock, protopunk, punk, hardcore, etc all did that so much better it's like what's the point
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
name any interesting music that come from the 50s

literature is a different story, but literature, unlike film or recorded music, predates modernity

there's also cool and interesting visual art from before that time barrier

but the music, no

film has some exceptions, like Kurosawa or 400 Blows or whatever
 

catalog

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A friend of mine is well into rockabilly, I went to a night with him one time, it was super weird, like they were all dressed up and doing particular dance moves. All the girls in polka dresses and the blokes with greased back hair. The headline guy was this French dude, Marcel bontempi, he was OK. I think it's got popular recently in thd UK as a sort of 'safe' scene that you can be healthily nostalgic about.
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
yeah and his films are fucking boring

I mean same as music, recognize/respect the innovation, craftsmanship, influence, etc

but actually watching them? tedious. like homework.
 

padraig (u.s.)

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50s cinema is much more of a mixed case than music, because it was already a serious art form

whereas popular music had yet to be taken as serious - which was a battle fought and win in the 60s by both artists and young critics

I should have clarified that I'm only talking about popular music

obviously tons of interesting things were going in modern classical, electroacoustic, etc
 

padraig (u.s.)

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Hitchcock's movies are fucking boring

like what you like. I'll continue to think what I think.

Be Bop a Lula is trash, just like every other 50s nonsense thing.
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
or maybe trash is harsh, but whatever is good about it someone else did infinitely better at some future point

so why would I want to waste my time listening to it
 
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