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boxedjoy

New member
I tried Googling this for more and specific details but even Wiki was scant on details, I would recommend watching the episode if you can though
 

DannyL

Wild Horses
Cheers for the tip. I've been aware of the atrocities committed by the Belgians out there for a while due to reading reviews of "King Leopold's Ghost" but I've never actually steeled myself to read the book.
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
for example, take the Huns. almost certainly there was no singular genetic "Huns". rather there was a group of disparate peoples grouped around an aristocratic warrior core, with a shared culture. in this framework, ethnicity is fluid and permeable. as previous answers indicate, even the slightest historical examination reveals this to be a more useful and accurate way of looking at ethnicity (and race) than immutable genetic categories. examples are innumerable. a famous one I mentioned in another thread is the Irish (and other European immigrants) "becoming white" when they arrived in America, where the defining cultural fact was race.
The Huns are an excellent example, and it goes further than that, because aside from having once occupied the area that's now Hungary (centuries before the Magyars got there) they don't *really* have that much to do with Hungary as a country. But the Huns were so important in European history that the name 'Hun' influenced the name 'Hungary' (which would otherwise be 'Ungary'), and Attila is a fairly common Hungarian name to this day.
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
the atrocities committed by the Belgians
extremely grim, even by the standards of colonial violence, so bad that even at the time it appalled other Europeans

driven by global rubber boom. mass forced labor, limbs chopped off for failing to meet quotas, etc. same thing happened in Brazil.

not unlike the devastation wrought by Columbus etc on the indigenous population of the Caribbean in the conquistadors' mad lust for gold.
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
Congo situation was so bad that the UK govt sent Roger Casement to investigate in the name of human rights. in 1903. which should tell you something.

of all the statues coming down, Leopold II is surely among the most deserving
 

DannyL

Wild Horses
extremely grim, even by the standards of colonial violence, so bad that even at the time it appalled other Europeans

driven by global rubber boom. mass forced labor, limbs chopped off for failing to meet quotas, etc. same thing happened in Brazil.

not unlike the devastation wrought by Columbus etc on the indigenous population of the Caribbean in the conquistadors' mad lust for gold.
There's been a photo doing the rounds recently of some guy staring at the dismembered foot of his child. As a father (or just a fucking human) this sends a shudder of horror through me. Unbelievable really. Only it happened on an industrial scale.
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
creating fake racial categories to divide and conquer was a common colonial tactic

it was a direct cause of the Rwandan genocide. it's debated to what extent, but "Hutu" and "Tutsi" are mostly bullshit categories made up by the Belgians.

i.e. when doing the census, they recorded anyone with certain features (long neck, narrow nose, etc) or having wealth (cattle) as "Tutsi"

then they heavily favored the "Tutsi" as a colonial ruling class, fostering mass resentment by "Hutus". with predicable results.

Tutsi/Hutu tension and post-genocide fallout was also a big contributor to the Great Lakes War aka the African World War, which killed 5+ million, tho that clusterfuck had many causes
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
And this btw is why every right thinking person should shun the works of William Bennett
oh yeah fuck that guy

I remember zhao of all people defending him years ago, and citing the Cut Hands liner notes to him

I'd forgotten Blackest Ever Black put out most of that. I guess they also had that sub-Bennet/Muslimgauze edgelord Dominick Fernow.

who, looking it up, actually put out a concept record about Belgian colonial brutality! as Force Publique Congo - the actual name of Leopold II's private slave overseer force/army - the guys who actually chopped off all those limbs. what in the actual fuck.

amazing. you couldn't make up the edginess of this bullshit if you tried.
 

jenks

thread death
Congo situation was so bad that the UK govt sent Roger Casement to investigate in the name of human rights. in 1903. which should tell you something.

of all the statues coming down, Leopold II is surely among the most deserving
The Sven Lindqvist book Exterminate All The Brutes is excellent on all this - showing how the Heart of Darkness comes out the racial science of the nineteenth century where the fantasies are not merely of white superiority but of actual extermination—“cleansing” the earth of the so-called lesser races—deeply informed European colonialism and racist ideology.
 

boxedjoy

New member
thanks for these rcommendations and details - the show I was referring to didn't go into massive detail but the Tutsi/Hutu divide is exactly what I was thinking of
 

sufi

lala
extremely grim, even by the standards of colonial violence, so bad that even at the time it appalled other Europeans

driven by global rubber boom. mass forced labor, limbs chopped off for failing to meet quotas, etc. same thing happened in Brazil.

not unlike the devastation wrought by Columbus etc on the indigenous population of the Caribbean in the conquistadors' mad lust for gold.
Amazing how we still exercise this disembodied horror to current and recent atrocities in Congo, also carried out in on our behalf :(
 

luka

Well-known member
Staff member

it all started for RA when, hilariously, thirdform started a thing on twitter about how an article they published on jungle was racist. they've been in a panicked tailspin ever since.
 

chava

Active member

it all started for RA when, hilariously, thirdform started a thing on twitter about how an article they published on jungle was racist. they've been in a panicked tailspin ever since.
Idk what do say about that RA article. I am completely dumbfounded.
 

luka

Well-known member
Staff member
it's hilarious. presumably it will end badly for them. it's always been a website by white people for white people.
 
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