'Woke capitalism' in 2020

luka

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Chava actually entered the paras and got seventh in the shotput despite not being what he called 'a spazz'
 

version

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Think there might be a kernel of truth to this,
Open borders discourse is Victorian settler ideology updated for 21st-century liberal elites. Elite millennials have been brought up with the expectation that they can move to Berlin or Belgrade tomorrow without needing to learn the local languages. But this seamless mobility depends on a new capitalist imperialism to work—the prior task of terraforming those places into interchangeable “no places” that the globally mobile can recognise and feel safe in. US popular culture and social media perform this work.
 

WashYourHands

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@chava There should be throwing games section - targets, distances, speed - every culture throws. Why keep it to the javelin and shot-p?

Billion $ idea.
 

Leo

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that's got to be one of the worse definitions of inclusion. someone in a wheelchair is already sitting down, is it really a micro-aggression if they don't sit in the middle of the bench?
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
Trying to spin anti-homeless benches as an attempt to help disabled people and be more "inclusive"...
That's quite mind-bogglingly shitty. I'd put it in the same general genre of shittiness as official arguments for HS2 being framed as appeals for its supposed greenness, because, you know, trains are good and cars are bad, right?
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
I read a couple of quite eye-opening pieces yesterday about the corporate-academic... thing that's accreted around "dismantling white supremacism" in the workplace/school/university/whatever. I say "thing" because it seems to be halfway between a cult and a (very lucrative) mini-industry.

The relationship with capitalism seems to be, er, complicated:

In his profile, Bergner asked DiAngelo how she could reject “rationalism” as a criteria for hiring teachers, on the grounds that it supposedly favors white candidates. Don’t poor children need teachers to impart skills like that so they have a chance to work in a high-paying profession employing reasoning skills?

DiAngelo’s answer seems to imply that she would abolish these high-paying professions altogether:

“Capitalism is so bound up with racism. I avoid critiquing capitalism — I don’t need to give people reasons to dismiss me. But capitalism is dependent on inequality, on an underclass. If the model is profit over everything else, you’re not going to look at your policies to see what is most racially equitable.”

(Presumably DiAngelo’s ideal socialist economy would keep in place at least some well-paid professions — say, “diversity consultant,” which earns her a comfortable seven-figure income.)

More troublingly:

I want to make clear that when I compare the industry’s conscious racialism to the far right, I am not accusing it of “reverse racism” or bias against white people. In some cases its ideas literally replicate anti-Black racism.

(both quotes from here https://nymag.com/intelligencer/202...ite-fragility-robin-diangelo-ibram-kendi.html)

If punctuality, work ethic, rationalism and delayed gratification are "white supremacist values", then it follows that black people are inherently unreliable, lazy, irrational and controlled by their appetites - exactly as white supremacists have thought for centuries. All this school of thought has done is reverse the value judgement. I'm reminded of zhao's endless fantasies about inherently stiff, uptight, sexless white people and inherently groovy, sexy, sweaty black people - which to his mind was "anti-racist", of course, despite being lifted straight from the mind of a typical middle-American white conservative of the 1950s.

This was good, too:

Mostly, though, [Tema Okun is] against things like “either/or thinking” and “perfectionism” where it’s pretty clearly a case in which you just don’t want to take things too far.

[........]

But big picture, none of this has anything to do with race or white supremacy!

And I don’t mean that in, like, “it’s not racist unless you’re wearing a Klan hood and burning a cross in my lawn.” I mean, nothing. If you don’t know any non-white people who sometimes strike you as excessively rigid in their thinking or seem like too much of perfectionists then you need to get out more. But then Okun herself concedes that there’s no necessary relationship between manifesting white supremacy culture and being white yourself, nor even the ethnic composition of the group.

"Because we all live in a white supremacy culture, these characteristics show up in the attitudes and behaviors of all of us – people of color and white people. Therefore, these attitudes and behaviors can show up in any group or organization, whether it is white-led or predominantly white or people of color-led or predominantly people of color."

So if the minister of a Black church is asking for more changes to something and one of the people he’s working with feels the minister is being too much of a perfectionist — and therefore advancing white supremacy — he can’t point to his own racial identity or that of his flock as a defense. It’s in the culture!

from https://www.slowboring.com/p/tema-okun
 

sufi

lala
I read a couple of quite eye-opening pieces yesterday about the corporate-academic... thing that's accreted around "dismantling white supremacism" in the workplace/school/university/whatever. I say "thing" because it seems to be halfway between a cult and a (very lucrative) mini-industry.

The relationship with capitalism seems to be, er, complicated:



More troublingly:



(both quotes from here https://nymag.com/intelligencer/202...ite-fragility-robin-diangelo-ibram-kendi.html)

If punctuality, work ethic, rationalism and delayed gratification are "white supremacist values", then it follows that black people are inherently unreliable, lazy, irrational and controlled by their appetites - exactly as white supremacists have thought for centuries. All this school of thought has done is reverse the value judgement. I'm reminded of zhao's endless fantasies about inherently stiff, uptight, sexless white people and inherently groovy, sexy, sweaty black people - which to his mind was "anti-racist", of course, despite being lifted straight from the mind of a typical middle-American white conservative of the 1950s.

This was good, too:



from https://www.slowboring.com/p/tema-okun
an exceptionally crass post even by your standards tea,

at least try and critique the original sources, which make some useful well-reasoned points (as usual, you didn't read them) - cherry picking right wing talking points from negative articles is just the usual mindless culture war pile on, well done

or what are you saying, leave institutional discrimination alone? it's not a problem? where else have we heard that recently?
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
an exceptionally crass post even by your standards tea,

at least try and critique the original sources, which make some useful well-reasoned points (as usual, you didn't read them) - cherry picking right wing talking points from negative articles is just the usual mindless culture war pile on, well done

or what are you saying, leave institutional discrimination alone? it's not a problem? where else have we heard that recently?
You obviously haven't understood at all. The point is not that racism isn't a problem. It's that reinforcing the stereotypes of white supremacism is a very odd way to go about fighting white supremacism.

And the source material is patently horseshit. "Perfectionism" is apparently a white supremacist value, but then so is "quantity over quality", i.e. the very opposite of perfectionism? It's nonsense even when considered on its own terms.
 
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Benny B

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You obviously haven't understood at all. The point is not that racism isn't a problem. It's that reinforcing the stereotypes of white supremacist is a very odd way to go about fighting white supremacism.
I agree, and if it just gets dismissed as a "right wing talking point" we'll never get anywhere.


Very wise woman. She has a book coming out this year, I'm definitely gonna read it.
 
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