Ursula Le Guin

DannyL

Wild Horses
i dont know if you noticed but i said i agree with your reading and it is 100% correct.
I missed that, sorry. I agree with you re. drawing out symbolic dimensions out of texts, and it's can be deeply fascinating seeing how it plays out in politics via conspiracy can also be quite mindblowing. The qanon stuff I find just wild.
 

luka

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the Q-Anon stuff, let's assume we don't beleive it (you don't beleive it do you?) ...that disbeleif then gives rise to a whole new set of conspiracies... that it is a psy-op or whatever... 4chan is the testing bed for all kinds of psychologixal experiemtns and mind games
 

luka

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I'm imagining grating unlubricated sex that lasts for years with no consumuation with ageing "Blair babes"
you and craner in the same horrible cold damp room under a flourescent bulb. I think Dante wrote about it in the inferno
 

DannyL

Wild Horses
Magical pratice is a bit like that tbh. You deliberately start looking for meaning and reading significance into events where there maybe is none. I found I took like a duck to water to a new divination system recently because of years of reading the I Ching and using that broad, associative thinking in interpreting it.
 

luka

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Magical pratice is a bit like that tbh. You deliberately start looking for meaning and reading significance into events where there maybe is none. I found I took like a duck to water to a new divination system recently because of years of reading the I Ching and using that broad, associative thinking in interpreting it.
you've been training your whole life it! and psychotherapy uses a lot of the same tools. symbol and interpretation. not forcing something too soon. not being reductive.
 

luka

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who is q-anon is a fascinating question whether you believe or not and opens up the same vertiginous vortex beneath your feet
 

subvert47

I don't fight, I run away
I can't recall her having any specific power beyond her symbolic role? Remind me if I'm wrong.
Her power is internal I think. Of resilience. The strength to overcome, to find and be herself in a very dark place, and then escape. Symbolized by the fact that she goes on to live under her true name.

The thing the story most powerfully reminds me of is veiling of women in the Islamic world and the separation of menstruating women out from shared social spaces that happens in some societies.
I hadn't noticed Tombs itself as being Islamic. More a pseudo-historical polytheistic warrior empire with priestesses. But certainly there are Islamic elements to the Kargad lands in The Other Wind.
 

subvert47

I don't fight, I run away
I remember my experience of reading the book though - again, it was so tonally different from the first one I didn't like it. I then reread it some years later with symbolic googles on and found it totally enthralling.
Ah, that second reading is so typical for Le Guin's work. I've found that many times. Because she never does what you expect – what you want – in sequels. Because she always changes her priorities.

Just in the Earthsea series, I found Tehanu and The Other Wind quite disappointing the first time through. For example, Tehanu first reading: Where's Ged? And why is he so useless? And why does the book end in such a rush? Second reading: Ged's not the main or same character anymore. And it doesn't end in a rush. It ends exactly as it should.
 

poetix

we murder to dissect
The ending of Tehanu reminds me of the end of The Owl Service, in that the tremendously important and transformative moment happens in a flash, things suddenly aligning and revealing the purpose of the whole structure. Almost the only way to really grasp what has just happened is to go back and read again from the beginning.
 
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