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This is the sincerity argument coming back into play. I don't feel much of anything I get via the media - social or THE media - to be sincere or genuine or real. I get the same feeling I get when I watch Boris or some other figure give a speech about the "horrific" events which have taken place during whatever incident they're responding to at the time. There's just nothing there.
 

sufi

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news is a level up from regular entertainment, in terms of that thrill of reality shit fan impacts
and social media is like that slap unburdened by substance, pure dreck
 

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Once you see behind the curtain or have that moment of clarity whilst watching or reading something, it becomes difficult to take it seriously.

I was watching a Vice thing about a trip to Angola last night and there was a shot of a man and a child staring into the camera with something burning behind them and how posed the image was suddenly hit me and all I could think about was the Vice crew 'arranging' the locals like props to get the desired shot.
 

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In all fairness, it does seem like very few people would watch the news if it wasn't at least a little sugarcoated. But is there an optimum balance there as well?

Don't want to derail this into sincerity completely, but do you think the language of sincerity, or at least the how-tos of being sincere, is less and less known? If you were never exposed to public, sincere interfacing, or very rarely exposed to it, you would reasonably feel more inclined to cover up the parts of you that would otherwise manifest as sincerity - seeing as that isn't what people do.

This is what would set the stage for a "new sincerity", seeing as it would become something to be rediscovered: "Wait, these feelings that I have been treating as negligible and fruitless can actually be expressed directly, honestly, openly? I don't have to relegate underground and juggle them between holding tanks?"

If we are exposed to people forcing/contriving certain emotions, do we learn to force/contrive them as well? As this pertains to the news, how does this forced/contrived emotional reaction alienate us from the real goings-on?
 

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If you get it from someone else, can it ever be sincere? You're always copying what they did first. It's not an original expression.
 

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I always think of the way footballers all do the same clap above their head when they walk off the pitch and put their hands over their mouth when they miss or their face when they're carried off on a stretcher.
 

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I always think of the way footballers all do the same clap above their head when they walk off the pitch and put their hands over their mouth when they miss or their face when they're carried off on a stretcher.
I was thinking about exactly that the other day
 

luka

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The way we become a collection of quotations. A disjunctive set of borrowed tics from multiple sources.
 

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They do the same post-match interviews too. Something about it being a difficult game when you play whoever they played against, something about "the lads in the dressing room" and something about focusing on the games ahead.
 

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Part of that is a consequence of mimetic learning. How we learn to behave in a social group, but mass media and social media makes it very weird. Poses are funny like that too. The facial expressions and body postures you assume when it's time to have your photo taken
 

constant escape

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If you get it from someone else, can it ever be sincere? You're always copying what they did first. It's not an original expression.
I think I could argue that it can be. If you are exposed to a genuine/sincere expression of some pathos, while you would still be copying it, I think it is a much deeper copy - one that qualifies, even, as sincere. As if their expression dug up your inner sincerity and brought it to the surface. I mean, we can experience genuine pathos as a reaction to someone else's experience, as in art, no?
 

luka

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I always think of "see ya mate yeah see you mate" from a song by the fall in this context. We don't really write our own scripts. We just run standardised routines
 

constant escape

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Part of that is a consequence of mimetic learning. How we learn to behave in a social group, but mass media and social media makes it very weird. Poses are funny like that too. The facial expressions and body postures you assume when it's time to have your photo taken
Yeah, because, in a sense, where else do you have to learn from? Maybe rigorous introspection - but how common is that?

edit: and even in the latter, you're still pulling from the same pile - just reaching deeper, or reaching period.
 

luka

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Yeah, because, in a sense, where else do you have to learn from? Maybe rigorous introspection - but how common is that?

edit: and even in the latter, you're still pulling from the same pile - just reaching deeper, or reaching period.
I suppose the idea is that facial expressions and body language are unmediated and direct originally.
 

sufi

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this is all different from news though isn't it,
there's fuck all that directly affects me on the news, just loads of stuffed suits commenting, forcing their faces and careers upon us,
just one thing that was actually important - don't go out for three months - in my news feed this year
the rest is entertainment, special entertainment that makes us sick and miserable and deactivated
sory i made a mistake that wasnt even news - since the 15th century
 

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Another point would be that if you were to communicate in an entirely original way then nobody would be able to understand you as communication only works by virtue of shared signs, symbols, language and so on.
 
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