Reducing the Input

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Another point would be that if you were to communicate in an entirely original way then nobody would be able to understand you as communication only works by virtue of shared signs, symbols, language and so on.
Precisely - the impossibility of a closed/independent semiotic system/circuit.
 

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I suppose you put sincerity behind whatever tools are to hand. You could sincerely send a generic greetings card because that was all they had in the shop and it wouldn't necessarily diminish the sentiment behind sending it, just the communication of that sentiment.
 

luka

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All this stuff can make it incredibly hard or impossible to speak at all. I
M sure some of you have experienced that at some point in your lives. Paralysed by the impossibility of honest speech.
 

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Who loves ya, baby?
I suppose you put sincerity behind whatever tools are to hand. You could sincerely send a generic greetings card because that was all they had in the shop and it wouldn't necessarily diminish the sentiment behind sending it, just the communication of that sentiment.
"It's the thought that counts."
 

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All this stuff can make it incredibly hard or impossible to speak at all. I
M sure some of you have experienced that at some point in your lives. Paralysed by the impossibility of honest speech.
For me, there is something almost paranoid or neurotic (?) about the paralysis - as if the sheer mass of learned insincerity precludes all sincerity.
 

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If I notice myself writing too much like myself, I try to tweak it. I noticed I use "just" a lot and started hacking away at it. I sometimes start sentences with "Case in point," and stopped myself doing it again earlier in the thread.
 

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Is anything we say sincere if language is in fact a virus from outer space? Is the virus sincere? Is the word sincere?
 
If I notice myself writing too much like myself, I try to tweak it. I noticed I use "just" a lot and started hacking away at it. I sometimes start sentences with "Case in point," and stopped myself doing it again earlier in the thread.
just does a lot of work doesn’t it, neutralises and reduces demystifies
 

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Yeah, I think Barty said he noticed himself using it a lot too. It worms its way between the words and you end up with phrases like "It's just this..." as opposed to "It's this...".
 

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I wonder whether turning away from the news and the outside world and falling into this pattern of deconstructing your own language equates to about the same amount of information and you're just swapping one input for another.
 

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It's also the opposite of what I was saying the other night about needing external anchors. The balance is crucial. You don't wanna spend your life trapped in your own mind, but you also don't want to spend your life trapped in the minds of others.
 

luka

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You're not just learning the gesture. You're learning the way you are supposed to feel in the situation. You reverse engineer the affect by enacting the gesture
 

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Who loves ya, baby?
Yeah, I think Barty said he noticed himself using it a lot too. It worms its way between the words and you end up with phrases like "It's just this..." as opposed to "It's this...".
This is something I pick up on in my own language. I'm conscious of constantly referring to "I", but I also don't want to speak for everyone else so I'm in two minds about referring to "we" or "you" in that way.
 

luka

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How actors get inside someone's feeling tone by imitating their physicality. Same with school children copying footballers gestures in the playground
 
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