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- watching that Bacon film and reading Ulysses has me wondering where this stuff is today. Is there even an audience for 2020's equivalent? Tom McCarthy's contention's that if James Joyce were alive today he'd be working for Google...

It is not just that people with degrees in English generally go to work for corporations (which of course they do); the point is that the company, in its most cutting-edge incarnation, has become the arena in which narratives and fictions, metaphors and metonymies and symbol networks at their most dynamic and incisive are being generated, worked through and transformed. While “official” fiction has retreated into comforting nostalgia about kings and queens, or supposed tales of the contemporary rendered in an equally nostalgic mode of unexamined realism, it is funky architecture firms, digital media companies and brand consultancies that have assumed the mantle of the cultural avant garde. It is they who, now, seem to be performing writers’ essential task of working through the fragmentations of old orders of experience and representation, and coming up with radical new forms to chart and manage new, emergent ones. If there is an individual alive in 2015 with the genius and vision of James Joyce, they’re probably working for Google, and if there isn’t, it doesn’t matter since the operations of that genius and vision are being developed and performed collectively by operators on the payroll of that company, or of one like it.
 

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i do dislike that kind of thing. It's trite and works on the assumption that Joyce was a mercenary with no morals and no vocation for writing.
 

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The 'conceptronica' stuff seems to want to present itself as avant-garde but the music itself often sounds like what Autechre have been doing for decades and the new and challenging aspect is all the non-musical stuff attached to it.
 

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Who's a recent artist, writer or whatever as challenging as a Bacon or whoever with a similarly high profile? Can it still be done? Are we still interested in being challenged by art? Do I have a distorted view of how open to this sort of stuff people were back in the day? Was it a product of elitists still dictating the terms and the general public were much the same as they are today just with less cultural influence?
 

luka

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there is no avant garde becasue there is no art. both categories are obsolescent.
 

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the last thing we want is more content. we're... what was the phrase? reducing the signal or something...
 

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Can't think of a modern-day Bacon equivalent. Arca moves lots of units/streams for someone who sounds pretty out there. Not making a value judgment on liking or disliking the music.
 

luka

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I'm surprised you haven't mentioned your own poems yet.
i think it is about the living plasmate. which is incarnate and transmitted through my very good poems, but probably also in all sorts of other low forms, degraded vessels, cracked pots etc
 

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the last thing we want is more content. we're... what was the phrase? reducing the signal or something...
I thought about titling that thread 'Shrinking Your World', but refused to use a term I learned from an ex-Navy SEAL on Joe Rogan.
 

luka

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It's the question that drives us, Neo. It's the question that brought you here. You know the question, just as I did.
i think, actually, that this is the only path left for art. it has to revert to revelation
 

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Can't think of a modern-day Bacon equivalent. Arca moves lots of units/streams for someone who sounds pretty out there. Not making a value judgment on liking or disliking the music.
I thought about Arca, but that stuff leaves me torn as on the one hand it falls under what I was saying about 'conceptronica', but on the other I dunno that you can separate the music from the imagery so maybe my impression of the music isn't enough to dismiss it as not being the avant-garde.
 

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you cant have stories, observations, mordant witticisms, cleverness etc. it all makes people sick. they just want the thing that lights them upo and makes them go all tingly and electric.
 

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Does the stuff they like do that though? Do Marvel films and The Last of Us and Game of Thrones do it?
 

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I had an idea for a thread on The Source, but dunno whether it merits one of its own or whether I can just attach it to Reducing the Input.
 
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