Originality?

version

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That's what I mean. Are we at a point where that's possible or are we only able to come up with original arrangements of unoriginal elements?
 

version

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It helps to have new tools to work with. What's the most recent instrument to have the potential to shake up music? Max/MSP?
 

luka

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So why is nobody able to come up with anything new?

well, first of all maybe they already have. if it wasnt for you being on this obscure message board you wouldn t even heard of me, a Very Important modern artist and thinker. who knows who else is hiding in weird crevices and crannies and what they've been up to
 

mvuent

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mcluhan makes a big thing of perspective being a new way to percieve the world. almost as if it were creating a new reality.
isn't that the big assumption of conceptual art? no need to create anything new, it's all just a matter of getting a new perspective.

if so, it makes me want to reinstate the importance of craft. cause the conceptual art view seems to be missing something. or even say "there are enough ways of seeing already, i just want someone to do something awesome with them!"
 

luka

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isn't that the big assumption of conceptual art? no need to create anything new, it's all just a matter of getting a new perspective.

if so, it makes me want to reinstate the importance of craft. cause the conceptual art view seems to be missing something. or even say "there are enough ways of seeing already, i just want someone to do something interesting with them!"

no, i dont think so.
 

version

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We're not demanding new paintings, so why are we demanding new music? Maybe the form's on the way out and we should be turning to video games or something equally new.
 

luka

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a) i dont think that is what conceptual art does
b) a new mode of perception necessarily entails making something unprecedented in order to represent it and trasmit it. so it can be shared.
 

version

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Perhaps music, film and literature should take influence from games and whatnot the way literature took influence from film. Allow themselves to be changed by the latest medium.
 

version

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That new Buju tune I posted makes me feel originality isn't that important. It's nothing new, but it doesn't matter because I like it anyway.
 

entertainment

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I think there's a sense that we don't really have a living culture so much as a set of dry, scholarly, self-aware cultural attitudes.

Nietszche has an essay about the pitfalls of too much historical knowledge. It creates a detachment. People studying stoics don't actually live according to stoic principles. Immersion in knowledge about art dulls the instincts that offer real original creative expression.

I won't go on about analytical vs. intuitive knowledge again but it's the same thing. We are stuck in analytical mode and the real creation comes from intuitive mode.
 

version

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I'm trying to work out whether something can be unique, but unoriginal. It sounds like an oxymoron, but you can make an authentic expression of something whilst making an unoriginal tune.
 

mvuent

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if you think of this as a video game, i hear it as having four levels. the first is a sky level, the second (~3:00) is a water level, the third (~6:00) is a nowhere level, the fourth (~9:00) is a space level. each time the basic building materials are the same, but used to create very different experiences and physics (and with more and more new elements being introduced in each.)

guess the point being that, imo, video games can be a very helpful reference point for other media. so continuing with those analogies could be promising.
 

version

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I'm trying to work out whether something can be unique, but unoriginal. It sounds like an oxymoron, but you can make an authentic expression of something whilst making an unoriginal tune.
What's expressed could only come from you, but other people have expressed something similar in similar ways.
 

version

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if you think of this as a video game, i hear it as having four levels. the first is a sky level, the second (~3:00) is a water level, the third (~6:00) is a nowhere level, the fourth (~9:00) is a space level. each time the basic building materials are the same, but used to create very different experiences and physics (and with more and more new elements being introduced in each.)

guess the point being that, imo, video games can be a very helpful reference point for other media. so continuing with those analogies could be promising.
I watched my dad watching the visual score for Ligeti's Artikulation and he was following it like a game, wanting to see what happened next, how the next bit would sound.

 

entertainment

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What's expressed could only come from you, but other people have expressed something similar in similar ways.

yeah of course there is the actual issue of exhaustion. there's got to be a limit of potential expressions out there. genres meet their maturity when they've revealed the map and run out of territory.
 
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