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constant escape
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Admittedly, I'm out of my league here - but I have optimized my framework-of-being so as to sustain pursuits of things beyond my league.
The root is the root of physics, so already I'm out of my league with quantum physics.
Then, in terms of layers, its about constantly pivoting between scales of analysis: atoms, molecules, now we're in chemistry, etc, certain organs of cells, etc, and the evolution of the complexity of matter can be traced out. That's what I mean by intelligent matter - matter that is able to arrange itself combinatorically into increasingly complex structures that react against one another and create an environment in which the structures, as systems, can cybernetically evolve themselves, up to the point when they combine to form larger systems (organisms) that then react against one another and define their environment, etc.
And intelligent matter, as the expression of negative entropy (and that apparently has several facets to it that I don't understand), by which I mean that which tends toward organization and disequilibrium, as opposed to entropy, which tends to disorganized equilibrium. We can see a cosmology taking form here, something I'm inclined to call a Nooism, although I'm sure its already present in existing cosmologies.
Ideology is high up the chain, but it seems this is only possible if you constantly pivot from one level/scale of the chain, to another, to another, to another, and so on, until they begin to connect in your understanding. Then you can see the ramifications across scales (albeit vaguely), and start to ascertain underlying functions and patterns. And it does seem like the algorithm sheds a crucial light on how intelligent matter evolves itself through dialogue with its environment. It is as if the universe, as a matrix, has predetermined settings that allows for certain physical interactions, such as aggregations/combinations, to ensue. At least, that is what physics seemingly sets out to define.
"And the monumentally confusing thing is: capitalism is becoming increasingly evident as being true to cosmic-intelligence / intelligence-matter"
Anyway, way up the chain we get these increasingly immaterial systems, that is, intelligent matter becomes increasingly able to manipulate immaterially, abstractly. The fact that we exist as people is a huge testament to this, and that we aren't just "soulless" or purely machinic. Why? Well, the soul must serve some function. What function? Trafficking through environments consisting of increasingly metaphysical/abstract signals, as opposed to physical/concrete ones?
The major axiom here is that intelligent matter develops algorithmically, that is, in a manner similar to how our algorithms, the ones we write/program, operate. And its not that far-fetched, really.
You can frame it computationally, as input / output
Psychologically, as stimuli / response
Cybernetically, as feedback between environment / system
It all fits together in a way that doesn't seem to leave anything out. That's what startles me. I'm pretty much a skeptic to the core, that is, I have a sort of faith in ephexis as a praxis (for the time being, I'm resigned to an idealism - a life almost purely of ideas). Critique every possibility, but don't completely disregard any possibility. In theory, its an unstoppable method, provided you can generate the stamina.
That's what weirds me out, seeing as I had finally secured an acceptance of objective reality being out of reach, even that isn't certain.
So now its about connecting these different scales of phenomena, from quarks to capitalism, seeing as that seems to be the precipice/peak of intelligent matter.
The root is the root of physics, so already I'm out of my league with quantum physics.
Then, in terms of layers, its about constantly pivoting between scales of analysis: atoms, molecules, now we're in chemistry, etc, certain organs of cells, etc, and the evolution of the complexity of matter can be traced out. That's what I mean by intelligent matter - matter that is able to arrange itself combinatorically into increasingly complex structures that react against one another and create an environment in which the structures, as systems, can cybernetically evolve themselves, up to the point when they combine to form larger systems (organisms) that then react against one another and define their environment, etc.
And intelligent matter, as the expression of negative entropy (and that apparently has several facets to it that I don't understand), by which I mean that which tends toward organization and disequilibrium, as opposed to entropy, which tends to disorganized equilibrium. We can see a cosmology taking form here, something I'm inclined to call a Nooism, although I'm sure its already present in existing cosmologies.
Ideology is high up the chain, but it seems this is only possible if you constantly pivot from one level/scale of the chain, to another, to another, to another, and so on, until they begin to connect in your understanding. Then you can see the ramifications across scales (albeit vaguely), and start to ascertain underlying functions and patterns. And it does seem like the algorithm sheds a crucial light on how intelligent matter evolves itself through dialogue with its environment. It is as if the universe, as a matrix, has predetermined settings that allows for certain physical interactions, such as aggregations/combinations, to ensue. At least, that is what physics seemingly sets out to define.
"And the monumentally confusing thing is: capitalism is becoming increasingly evident as being true to cosmic-intelligence / intelligence-matter"
Anyway, way up the chain we get these increasingly immaterial systems, that is, intelligent matter becomes increasingly able to manipulate immaterially, abstractly. The fact that we exist as people is a huge testament to this, and that we aren't just "soulless" or purely machinic. Why? Well, the soul must serve some function. What function? Trafficking through environments consisting of increasingly metaphysical/abstract signals, as opposed to physical/concrete ones?
The major axiom here is that intelligent matter develops algorithmically, that is, in a manner similar to how our algorithms, the ones we write/program, operate. And its not that far-fetched, really.
You can frame it computationally, as input / output
Psychologically, as stimuli / response
Cybernetically, as feedback between environment / system
It all fits together in a way that doesn't seem to leave anything out. That's what startles me. I'm pretty much a skeptic to the core, that is, I have a sort of faith in ephexis as a praxis (for the time being, I'm resigned to an idealism - a life almost purely of ideas). Critique every possibility, but don't completely disregard any possibility. In theory, its an unstoppable method, provided you can generate the stamina.
That's what weirds me out, seeing as I had finally secured an acceptance of objective reality being out of reach, even that isn't certain.
So now its about connecting these different scales of phenomena, from quarks to capitalism, seeing as that seems to be the precipice/peak of intelligent matter.
constant escape
winter withered, warm
Accelerate the revelation? Fastpass to the High Reptilian Council?
I do know a bit about it. I know how it came together historically, so I'm perhaps less likely to "believe" in it as a whole I guess. It's a bit early 1990s for me now though, kinda same mental space as flyers with the Mandlebrot diagram on.
Sigils in the chaos magic sense are interesting but in the same way, I find the intellectual history of the idea interesting, the way it was taken up, adapted and changed by internet discourse. It's basically focusing intently on a coded representation of a desire and then forgetting about it, letting the subconscious/universe or whatever bring it about. In practice the last bit of this can be pretty hard to do.
shiels
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I’ve thought about this kind of stuff when trying to understand quick swings to the alt-right in terms of formative experiences, trauma, what wounds are people circling around , what needs are now being met? What scripts are being played out? Can we apply an addiction model to ideological viewpoints? I think it is interesting to think about what’s held in the body, what things are running the show even deeper than beliefs
shiels
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Again it seems easy to trace the lines of influence in others. Alt right Tolkien bros or leftie potter heads. but much harder for most people to be even conscious of, or honest about their beliefs, biases, influences. Never mind actively working to
Undermine them. We cling hard to an idea of ourselves as free thinking. You’re aware of all the Less Wrong stuff I suppose? And Slate star codex etc
Undermine them. We cling hard to an idea of ourselves as free thinking. You’re aware of all the Less Wrong stuff I suppose? And Slate star codex etc
version
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I know SSC; I only know Less Wrong by name.
luka
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i think what we can all relate to in the constant escape program is the experience of everything coalescing into a totality, all interconnected and every process recapitulated at every level of organisation. That kind of peak high when it all makes sense. A balloon which eventually must be popped to allow for further growth. Each totality is a limit that has to be exploded and transcended and reformed at a higher level.
luka
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IdleRich
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Thursday at 11:00 AM
I think that with a lot of debates and positions that arise from them people can really hold their position in one of two ways. Sometimes they pick the position and then argue for that position - I have to use the same example here cos it's such a good one I'm afraid - with Trump that's clearly it now with the majority of his remaining supporters. The axiom they are working with is "Trump is good" and so all facts must be made to fit that.
The other way is people look at all the facts that they can and arrive at the position that appears to follow from facts. This is the way that everyone wants to think that they themselves think, but obviously it's a lot rarer than we'd like it to be.
In fact, Luka, I think that you would probably say that that never happens.
entertainment
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this balloon popping, it's like a thesis -> antithesis -> synthesis model?
you form an idea about the world, you find out an error that makes the idea wrong, you form a new idea that subsumes the first idea and the critique
you form an idea about the world, you find out an error that makes the idea wrong, you form a new idea that subsumes the first idea and the critique