junglism or barbarism: existential-dystopian 2020 jungle mix

catalog

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in my experience most footwork sits around the 160 mark, just like jungle. most 'modern' drum n bass is what i find too fast. and footwork plays around with halftime rhythms so much, sometimes it'll only be the snares or hats going full speed. always thought people claiming it undanceable, or only danceable if you know how to footwork was a bit silly. I'm happy to rock back and forth to the half beat, but whatever, throw shapes, go dumb!
one of the problems of footwork is that it's American, that's why it can never be as good as jungle. like even at the taye night, there was this weird american feel to the proceedings
 

dilbert1

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one of the problems of footwork is that it's American, that's why it can never be as good as jungle. like even at the taye night, there was this weird american feel to the proceedings
to me its a little beside the point whether footwork is better than or as good a genre than jungle is. likewise i could point out jungle's reliance on American dance music, soul and hip-hop. no interest in defending the 'coolness' of America, but i think the dynamic with the States has always been there. its just that as and after jungle disappeared into Drum&Bass™ it was much more dictated by industry and selling the music, at the cost of hardcore and jungle never being properly introduced to the public as something building off all those aspects of our culture. it was just some weird loungey drum music that Sega or Namco or Subaru gave us watered down bits of, or more fortunate moments in chance encounters with imported compilation CDs. Embarrassingly for us the Canadians (bless their hearts) were much more turned on to good music from the UK at that time. but anyways i think jungle and footwork being in some sort of tacit alliance or association is mutually beneficial for both musics. they don't scratch the same itch and really are quite different beasts, but there's so much of a shared sensibility with hardcore. the speed, the brazenness, the sampler-centric ethic... and both spit in the face of the decadent and quite whitewashed techno/house hegemony. they are like the neighboring peaks of two mountains between which lies a vast, unaccountable distance....
 

catalog

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i've just got a very english sensibility i suppose, i immediately like stuff if i hear an english accent, or get that vibe from it, if there's no vocals. same reason is really love dean blunt. i suppose it's more relatable to me, all the references come thru better. i'm straining to think really, but i can't actually think of an american artist who i revere as much as an english one. maybe prince?
 

dilbert1

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i've just got a very english sensibility i suppose, i immediately like stuff if i hear an english accent, or get that vibe from it, if there's no vocals. same reason is really love dean blunt. i suppose it's more relatable to me, all the references come thru better. i'm straining to think really, but i can't actually think of an american artist who i revere as much as an english one. maybe prince?
my favorite American artist, in the broadest sense of the term, is probably Tupac Shakur. but yeah, i happen to like way, waaay more British music than American. hip-hop is really one of the only things we have to be proud of.
 

Linebaugh

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I find the lineage of footwork really interesting. For anyone not familiar with Juke music and the footwork Chicago stuff its worth a look.

 

catalog

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i was never into tupac. i used to watch a few videos on mtv base but i never really got into it. although i did like g funk, warren g regulate and all that. i think i prefer biggie to tupac tbh but i could take or leave him. i love that clip of him when he's 17 tho
 

Linebaugh

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Really more talking to @dilbert1 ,there are plenty of american scenes to be proud of. Even house/electronic stuff, seemingly the big thing on here, was a US starter.
 

dilbert1

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Really more talking to @dilbert1 ,there are plenty of american scenes to be proud of. Even house/electronic stuff, seemingly the big thing on here, was a US starter.
of course. juan atkins, larry heard, larry levan (if you wanna take it back a bit further), these are all incredible human beings and cultural luminaries
 

catalog

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well its all three innit: NY, London, Paris, they're all in the mix. That's why it was so big. Global
 

dilbert1

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Who has more rightful claim to punk?
also not interested in that argument as it inevitably collapses into splitting hairs about what constitutes 'proto-punk' (if i were a real patriot i'd be making some argument about the velvet underground, suicide or death) but i am biased toward the UK, less in the vein of mclaren and moreso anarcho punk. But I believe Warsaw was the first punk band i got really into
 

Linebaugh

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Think the Euros were putting out the most good post punk stuff, even if NY did have no wave (though who knows how much thats remebered if not for Brian Eno), but stateside places like DC and Cali seemed to do the most in taking punk in its hardcore direction
 

Linebaugh

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also not interested in that argument as it inevitably collapses into splitting hairs about what constitutes 'proto-punk' (if i were a real patriot i'd be making some argument about the velvet underground, suicide or death) but i am biased toward the UK, less in the vein of mclaren and moreso anarcho punk. But I believe Warsaw was the first punk band i got really into
Yah VU is the spectre that looms over all these convos.
 
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