junglism or barbarism: existential-dystopian 2020 jungle mix

catalog

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Im not really that familiar with Paris punk @catalog
I like lizzy mercier descloux and Etron fou leloubon but dont know much else
i mean more situationism, not music, borrowed by mclaren, transposed to music. i mean whatever anyway sez about him, he was pretty key to punk becoming what it was, and he took a lot from debord et al.
 

Linebaugh

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Interesting that France produced so much of what could be called history's counterculture -art, intelligentsia and political action- yet never that represented with regards to music, at least globally
 

Linebaugh

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Is it an accent thing? Is France too weird and foreign and music too image driven for that to be the case?
 

Linebaugh

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aaand Ive forgotten about language difference, but still, I think the British invasion doesn't happen if bands like the Beatles weren't able to capture foreign allure while simultaneously being the perfect image of whiteness. Cant see any french groups doing both
 

dilbert1

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Is it an accent thing? Is France too weird and foreign and music too image driven for that to be the case?
fan of Lizzy mercier descloux as well, my other favorite is trisomie 21. some of the most emotionally poignant abstract post-punk
 

catalog

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I am more into American visual art I think, the whole skate sensibility, harmony korine, Larry Clark, Cameron Jamie etc. When people do this in England it's very embarrassing, I feel sorry for them all.
 

luka

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I saw kode9 djing as well fairly recently and he played a load of footwork, it was good but I preferred the jungle and grime he played, just cos. I think it's harder to build footwork into a set perhaps, but taye deffo managed it
Version did a photoshop of kode 9 out dogging
 

luka

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my favorite American artist, in the broadest sense of the term, is probably Tupac Shakur. but yeah, i happen to like way, waaay more British music than American. hip-hop is really one of the only things we have to be proud of.
This is what that crazy Russian says. Tupac, Ginsberg, Pollock.
 

catalog

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BTW dilbert I played the first bit of your mix in the car and thought it was good, very on trend with the lockdown lyrics but something nevertheless incongruous with the American accent over English beats.

Funny to hear geuess. When I was at uni the first time, he turned up just as I was leaving and my supervisor at the time told me I should try to get an m.phil with him cos he was the best but I put in a joke proposal and they rejected it.
 
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catalog

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Listened to most of the mix now. It's too jump up for me really, but I think ig would work well played out in a nice cold warehouse. God I really wanna go out dancing soon
 

dilbert1

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@catalog i want to call you a fool for missing the opportunity to study with geuss, but as a near-fanatic devotee of his i realize I'm an outlier. i agree with the cold warehouse bit... that you aren't crazy about it doesn't bother me in the least, thanks for taking the time to listen! but the 'jump up' characterization is criminally and egregiously inaccurate and i simply will not stand for it. there is not one jump up tune in there!! perhaps the ellis dee and in-sync tracks have jump up-ish bass tones (unavoidable symptom of '95?)?? but to me (and what do i know) jump up connotes very few or no break edits, the dry monotonous two-step beat, and the ugliest corniest bass sound imaginable. this charge is unwarranted. i am awaiting your defense of the indefensible
 

catalog

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Lol its a bit hectic and simplistic for me mate. I call that jump up but am probably wrong, I don't understand music a lot. Its pleasant enough tho and it would be very different if I could dance to it.
 

dilbert1

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never heard this, seems good.
Have you heard this descloux monstrosity?
yeah, all her stuff in the 80s feels like misguided attempts to stay relevant in the decade and go big with the 'art pop' downtown nyc vibe, repudiation of post-punk experimentalism, amateurism, minoritarian artistic mores
 

dilbert1

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Lol its a bit hectic and simplistic for me mate. I call that jump up but am probably wrong, I don't understand music a lot. Its pleasant enough tho and it would be very different if I could dance to it.
that's fine, 'hectic' is not a word i would use to describe jump up as there are hardly ever drum fills, edits, polyrhythms etc. but 'simplistic' certainly, although the simpler tracks in this mix are probably all the stuff from 92/3 before jump up even existed. long story short: don't call things you're not into 'jump up' just because, honest to god i'd prefer if you'd said the whole mix was trash and you hated every tune
 
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