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not to the same extent. and even when it did it didn't have very many. its not as ghettoised in that way.


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As immigration trends change, some of the older ethnic neighborhoods are disappearing. Chinatown has expanded over the past 20-30 years to swallow up at least two-thirds of what used to be Little Italy.

OTOH, the Korean population in Flushing boomed so much that at one point a local ordinance was passed that all business signage had to be bilingual...because you could walk for blocks and not see any signs in English!
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the old neighborhoods get wiped out in the chop and change of the city. immigration continues obviously. but from what i can see, and without thinking about it very much, there's less of a tendency for people to cluster together by background. the areas that incomers settle down in seem to be a collection of people from absolutely everywhere rather than homogenous. the south bronx seems to be like that. not that i spend a load of time there. it's hard to think of an area there which has a reputation as being an enclave in the same way as polish greenpoint / puerto rican williamsburg / chinatown was. maybe this is ignorance talking, coz no-one i know every talks about the bronx. but jackson heights is the same. elmhurst is the same. i spent a bit of time in flatbush handing out food, it's babel, it's people from everywhere.

i guess corona is a counter-example. sunset park maybe. but even there it's not an enclave, there's both a big chinese thing and a big mexican thing going on. maybe this stuff just looks simpler in retrospect and is harder to figure out when its ongoing.


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I also can't imagine there are the same numbers of, say, Italian or German immigrants coming here nowadays. Plus Little Italy and Yorkville are too expensive for many newcomers, the Italians who do come are probably heading to Brooklyn or Arthur Avenue in the Bronx.


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another factor might be that America -- particularly NYC -- encourages ethnic pride and celebrations.

one of the craziest days here used to be the Puerto Rican Day Parade, which starts way uptown in Spanish Harlem and comes down Fifth Ave by all the swankiest old-money apartment buildings on Central Park East. Some rich white folks would freak out, hire security and stores would board up street-level windows. there were a few years where the scene in the park (where in parade ends) was kind of out of hand with disorderly conduct, sexual assaults, etc. Not sure what it's like now, I don't think they held it during the pandemic.