Colors and Ideas

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
To bring physics into it for a moment, it's sort of paradoxical that we consider red and yellow to be 'warm' colours while green and blue are 'cold' colours. I guess this comes from how skin (of light-skinned people, anyway) looks bluish when we're cold and flushes when we're warm. And ice and snow reflect the blue sky, I guess. But when you look at the blackbody spectrum, anything that glows blue is much hotter than anything that glows red.

Edit: yeah, firelight is yellow/orange of course, too.
 
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luka

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Red and yellow are the normal colours of fire and also of the sun. The sun never looks blue and the sun is the primary reference point for heat.
 

constant escape

winter withered, warm
I'm starting to sense that colors may not be universally interpretable in the manner I had in mind - but might there be a universal, or genetically hardwired manner of registering color that is... pre-semiotic? Not sure how much sense that makes. Perhaps it can pertain to the kind of gut feelings that are antecedents to conscious processing and significance ascribing.

And your second post: I'm unfamiliar with "blackbody" and had to look it up. Does the blackbody spectrum positively correlate heat with frequency? That would orient violet as being the hottest, no? Or perhaps it isn't as clean a correlation, maybe involving other factors.
 

luka

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I'm starting to sense that colors may not be universally interpretable in the manner I had in mind - but might there be a universal, or genetically hardwired manner of registering color that is... pre-semiotic? Not sure how much sense that makes. Perhaps it can pertain to the kind of gut feelings that are antecedents to conscious processing and significance ascribing.

And your second post: I'm unfamiliar with "blackbody" and had to look it up. Does the blackbody spectrum positively correlate heat with frequency? That would orient violet as being the hottest, no? Or perhaps it isn't as clean a correlation, maybe involving other factors.

I think you can still argue for a root level of universAlity that then suffers innumerable accretions to mount up on top of it and this correlates to the pre-semiotic experience of colour at the eye and at the skin receptor sites.
 

constant escape

winter withered, warm
Also the day i


I think you can still argue for a root level of universAlity that then suffers innumerable accretions to mount up on top of it and this correlates to the pre-semiotic experience of colour at the eye and at the skin receptor sites.
Yeah this is what I was getting at, that the universality is desecrated or deviated from as we elaborate further and further upon the significance of colors.

But I also think these trends/trajectories could be figurable as functions, in the mathematical sense (unless I'm working with a faulty understanding). Functions that operate algorithmically - but again, my understanding of these things is very abstract, so I could be overlooking a great deal.

That is, the manner of semiotic accretion upon a pre-semiotic bedrock - this manner could have an objective rhyme and reason.
 

luka

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I would like to think so. One of the things I've been arguing for here is for an objective basis for those kinds of associations. I might be wrong but it's one of those issues on which people feel compelled to pick a side. It's a vote cast for the sort of universe you want to live in.
 

luka

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Evidence here is by the bye, an irrelevance. It's about choosing a side. What do you WANT to be true?
 

constant escape

winter withered, warm
Evidence here is by the bye, an irrelevance. It's about choosing a side. What do you WANT to be true?
Yeah, this is the place for schizo-pragmatics, radical imagination, tournament dialectics (perhaps to little avail), anisotropisms, and other mind-prying operations. Arguably the realm of philosophy, but I'd be interested to hear opinions about this.

Its reconnaissance, scouting, where science comes in later as a colonizing force, no? That image should foreground the problematic sides of how we operate - but perhaps I'm being to presumptuous.
 

Leo

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have a bad association with red, since it's the traditional republican color and blue denotes democrats. funny that it's the opposite of tories/labour.

our apartment is primarily colored with the cool end of the spectrum -- pear and lighter sea foam greens -- accented with warm yellow/orange. ying and yang, stronger together, etc.
 

luka

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Yeah, this is the place for schizo-pragmatics, radical imagination, tournament dialectics (perhaps to little avail), anisotropisms, and other mind-prying operations. Arguably the realm of philosophy, but I'd be interested to hear opinions about this.

Its reconnaissance, scouting, where science comes in later as a colonizing force, no? That image should foreground the problematic sides of how we operate - but perhaps I'm being to presumptuous.

I don't like to think about the problematics, it's for other people to scold and tut at. Let's concentrate on the job in hand.
 

constant escape

winter withered, warm
I think I see your point (reserving the cleanup/polishing for the rearguard?) but I do try to preserve a preserve a radical socio-progressive thrust through all this, for a number of reasons - including that an awareness of privilege serves to minimize blindspots, etc. But yes, now is not the time to get tripped up by that. I can forget how much of a SJW I have stored away, grinding away, active under speculative layers of "post-woke" this or that. If I get preachy about it, just slap me.

That said, I am also in touch, as I suspect is evident, with a sweeping and insatiable force of control - but I think all cylinders can be coaxed into firing in parallel. The species manages to do it, right?

More to the point, I think the dots can be connected - it's more a matter of whether or not one, as a psyche, can sustain such work without snapping, without circuits frying.

Trying to figure out how these efforts can be best harnessed as threads, here, seeing as so much of it lay strewn deep in the catacombs of esoteric academia / academic esoterica. I mean, look at Deleuze. Can we appreciate how insane it is whilst working to understand it? Can we keep our feet planted in the common sense while straining to scale the lofty towers? I'm inclined to think so.

The job at hand:

-Become familiar with how agency scales up and down the cosmos, comprised of systems, systems-of systems, systems-of-systems-of-systems, etc.
-Become familiar with the various "epistechnics" (methodology of knowing) at work in different bubbles of logos, how each field/discipline not only takes a unique topic, but also a unique approach. The topic (environment) and the approach (system) engage in dialogue, resulting in an ever more singular epistechnics - and yet they all stem from a univocal impetus: organization? intelligence? The semantics here are formidable.
-Become familiar with becoming familiar. This might be the crux, the next available move of major ramifications.
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
have a bad association with red, since it's the traditional republican color and blue denotes democrats. funny that it's the opposite of tories/labour.
I've always thought this was odd - red is the colour of socialism the world over! I guess the GOP is pretty old, but I don't know how long the red/blue association with those parties has existed.
 

constant escape

winter withered, warm
Do we think color is the primal alphabet of emotion? Or does emotion find a more radical/fundamental expression elsewhere?
 

luka

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It's one of many things you you read through emotion, as an analogue of emotion, project emotion onto, understand through emotion, as is the weather
 

luka

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Both colour and weather have distinct states but also a myriad of in between states and fine shadings, mingled states, interzones
 

luka

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Emotion/mood does correspond very well with emotion because it is a kind of lens we view 'reality' through. We don't get the pure white light of perfect objectivity , we get this or that tint
 
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constant escape

winter withered, warm
Weather is another good objective point of departure - but we can also view that as a superstructure upon sensory/nervous system, an aggregate of colors, sensations, etc. that amounts to its own language.

What would be the base/elements? Nervous/sensuous signals? That subsumes color.
 
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