Bad Boy Chiller Crew

[luka]

they're not middle class. It's just northern culture. Totally different from what Corpsey is talking about.

 

[luka]

It's authentic northern culture which Vice magaIne sent an intrepid reporter out to document/patronise

 

[shiels]

These lads are a very different thing to Louis obviously, you can’t lump all that in together

it’s mostly joke with that crew but not totally, it’s clearly influenced by bassline and all that

 

[luka]

It's how Vice talked about grime too. It's how they frame everything. They stand outside the Petri dish of culture looking in and tittering. They haven't and can't buy into anything. Theyre in a quandary. There's an envy that goes alongside the condescension.

 

[luka]

It's The Fall. They look in on these scenes which haven't become paralysed with self awareness as if they were prelapsarian worlds. Which they are.

 

[shiels]

Clive Martin had a quite interesting breakdown about that a few years back, said he wanted to write the sopranos

 

[luka]

Clive Martin had a quite interesting breakdown about that a few years back, said he wanted to write the sopranos

He was so bad at writing it caused me actual physical pain.

 

[shiels]

Sounds like envy to me luka! I hate vice but did like some of his stuff, because of that realisation

 

[luka]

You think he's a better writer than me you mean?

 

[luka]

I'm fairly sure I'm not envious. He's not rich or famous. He's not good with words. He's not intelligent. He's not funny.

 

[luka]

And he's had a breakdown.... I'd rather be me.

 

[Corpsey]

I find it interesting how it also 'works' the other way around - or perhaps its expressive of two different cultural senses of humour.

Like Eminem could rap about how much he hates his mum and doing loads of drugs and so on and (generally speaking) it felt like black rappers weren't allowed to do that. Or wouldn't do that, for whatever reason.

Maybe it's something to do with masculinity/machismo in the black community? https://www.theguardian.com/global/2020/mar/18/photographs-black-teenage-boys-prejudice-stereotypes

Highly conscious I'm blundering into sensitive issues like a gigantic fat white elephant here...

 

[luka]

But don't get me wrong I think he can find redemption. I'm not saying toss him on the scrapheap. His life can have a second act.

 

[Corpsey]

I quite liked his articles FWIW.

Also I saw a doc he did for Vice TV recently that I thought was surprisingly good-natured. I'd marked him down as a snark merchant.

 

[luka]

The interesting thing about Odd Future was that it was that essentially suburban fuck you mom energy with Eminem as the primary influence.

 

[luka]

I quite liked his articles FWIW.

Also I saw a doc he did for Vice TV recently that I thought was surprisingly good-natured. I'd marked him down as a snark merchant.

If he's had a breakdown it's probably humbled him and made him a nicer person. Road to redemption.

 

[Corpsey]

What is it about the suburbs that breeds that 'fuck you mom' mentality?

Eminem wasn't suburban, ofc, he was white trash - but his fuck you mom energy definitely appealed to the suburban teens.

 

[shiels]

Well you're obviously the best senior writer on the internet yes.

 

[luka]

The interesting thing about Odd Future was that it was that essentially suburban fuck you mom energy with Eminem as the primary influence.

And now that suburban black Korn hoodie is everywhere in rap music.

 

[luka]

And now that suburban black Korn hoodie is everywhere in rap music.

Satanic imagery. Wallet chain. Vans. Etc etc