Bad Boy Chiller Crew

[DannyL]

I'm struck by the opening post again to take it back to BBCC. I don't know where this fits in, but they seem so normal to me, recognisable (echoing Luka's posts above above, BBDC seem like a younger version of me or more accurately some of my mates (I've never had a car). One of them just got his first job after Uni (front of house in a bank, perhaps?), taken out a ruinous loan for a car, him and his mates are very very excited about it so they are driving about it as much as possible, shouting at puzzled and disinterested girls, in that tiny window that exists before he crashes it or it's repossessed. It's like a snapshot of modern Britain.

 

[luka]

real rap we know is supposed to be the province of the criminalised and mostly immigrant underclasss, a demographic britain has been working hard to create over the last 30 years

(not to talk over you Danny, just to continue the thought) the reason everyone was so proud of grime was that it indicated that Britain had finally been succesful in it's efforts to engineer this demographic. we finally had the class that raps. Drill was the further entrenchment of that class, more aware of and inured to its role in the grand scheme of things.

 

[DannyL]

Very white, suburban, in that classless no-mans land most of us inhabit now, but genuinely so. No cosplay.

 

[DannyL]

Sure no problem. Perhaps the reflexive shudder of horror at self recognition has driven me away from thinking about HF.

 

[DannyL]

(not to talk over you Danny, just to continue the thought) the reason everyone was so proud of grime was that it indicated that Britain had finally been succesful in it's efforts to engineer this demographic. we finally had the class that raps. Drill was the further entrenchment of that class, more aware of and inured to its role in the grand scheme of things.

This is why HF is seems so weird, particularly related to the current moment. I think I said this before, but we have what we've always wanted, an authentic UK street music and these guys seem to to pretend it's not happening.

 

[luka]

This is why HF is seems so weird, particularly related to the current moment. I think I said this before, but we have what we've always wanted, an authentic UK street music and these guys seem to to pretend it's not happening.

i think that is becasue it is not authentic to them. they see it, and they're not completely wrong, as role play. it's not really real.

 

[DannyL]

BBDC brings to mind to me a landscape of A-roads and industrial estates, doing handbrake turns in the B&Q car park. Getting at McDonalds at the drive through afterwards.

 

[luka]

they see it as the kind of fantasy roleplay 67 identify in this interview

 

[luka]

BBDC brings to mind to me a landscape of A-roads and industrial estates, doing handbrake turns in the B&Q car park. Getting at McDonalds at the drive through afterwards.

it's a less self-conscious, less literary Mike Skinner

 

[DannyL]

i think that is becasue it is not authentic to them. they see it, and they're not completely wrong, as role play. it's not really real.

one reason why the music is so weird. They have to rap about being an psychedelic otherworld or whatever because their lives are as boringly suburban as yours and mine.

 

[luka]

one reason why the music is so weird. They have to rap about being an psychedelic otherworld or whatever because their lives are as boringly suburban as yours and mine.

which is the reason we do psychedelics and voodoo and summoning the ancient spirits too

 

[Corpsey]

I think luka means the drillers are playing a role.

edit: oh no he doesn't

 

[luka]

I think luka means the drillers are playing a role.

edit: oh no he doesn't

of course they are. it's a role they have been assigned, but they're playing it.

 

[Corpsey]

I always thought that Jehst going on about surfing on rainbows etc. was again a way of avoiding the 'realness' of rap music as imported from the US. Or not even a conscious avoidance just that recognition that it's not really the done thing to talk about a mundane middle class life in rap music, but then there are some rappers who talk about kung-fu and sci-fi etc. so you can always do that.

Eminem was presumably the first rapper to talk about living in a trailer park and doing mushrooms etc.

 

[DannyL]

I always thought that Jehst going on about surfing on rainbows etc. was again a way of avoiding the 'realness' of rap music as imported from the US. Or not even a conscious avoidance just that recognition that it's not really the done thing to talk about a mundane middle class life in rap music, but then there are some rappers who talk about kung-fu and sci-fi etc. so you can always do that.

Eminem was presumably the first rapper to talk about living in a trailer park and doing mushrooms etc.

Yeah this is exactly what I'm talking about.
I think there's a realness in BBDC that's absent from HF. Quite a mundane and boring realness but there nonetheless.

 

[luka]

I always thought that Jehst going on about surfing on rainbows etc. was again a way of avoiding the 'realness' of rap music as imported from the US. Or not even a conscious avoidance just that recognition that it's not really the done thing to talk about a mundane middle class life in rap music, but then there are some rappers who talk about kung-fu and sci-fi etc. so you can always do that.

Eminem was presumably the first rapper to talk about living in a trailer park and doing mushrooms etc.

west coast rap had persistent psychedelic undertones. butterfly concerto, the task force tune i posted as a forerunner of high focus is heavily influenced by Pep Love's album which came out mid to late 90s.

 

[luka]

compare and contrast]

 

[luka]

that it's not really the done thing to talk about a mundane middle class life in rap music,

the interesting question for me is how do you creat art culture etc out of that life. it's not just middle class it encompasses the greater part of the working class too, many of whom make good middle class salaries. i don't think we as paste people are obliged to merely document that life. it has to come out of it organically and honestly but it doesnt have to be that kind of straightforward realism

 

[version]

the paste demographic. this is my new area of study and specialisation. encompasses the bulk of the working and middle classes. the bit part actors. k-punk's reflexive impotence demographic. that's the consituency we are going to harness for our rise to power. that's the key to the whole country. high focus are the crucial clue.

Mark and Jez from Peep Show.

 

[luka]

the paste demographic is supposed to internalise the beleif that they are so boring and very normative that nothing they could possibly think or feel or say could be of any interest to anyone. and also, you should be happy with your lot. you were bred to be a civil servant, a heating engineer, a primary school teacher, a local authority solicitor, a middle manager, a bank clerk.