'structural'

john eden

john eden

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Well it's obscured by the dominant ideas of society - the hegemony from Gramsci that Craner was on about.

Marx also talks about this in terms of the production process ("alienation") - workers don't feel connected to what they make.

With ideas, the whole thrust of Neoliberalism is that there isn't a class struggle. This is backed up by ideas in the media and wider culture along the lines of "we're all middle class now".
 
shiels

shiels

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A lot of criticism from right to left seems to say that facile endorsement of a message nullifies the message competely, it doesn’t, it might expose contradictions though.

And there’s the ‘you only think that because x’ which is precisely the point, to show your influences, system of thought and continue to challenge and revise or else you fall prey to all kinds of selfish and messy and tribal thinking

And I think these positions serve a subject who wants to think of themselves as free but don’t want to think too hard about why or how. I’m thinking of a particular relative here if this seems like a weird post
 
craner

craner

Beast of Burden
I was probably being provocative. Baboon had that effect on me.

I don't discount it as a factor.
 
luka

luka

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i'm starting to think the only serious answer to these questions is kazoo dreamboats by jh prynne
 
V

version

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shiels said:
A lot of criticism from right to left seems to say that facile endorsement of a message nullifies the message competely, it doesn’t, it might expose contradictions though.

And there’s the ‘you only think that because x’ which is precisely the point, to show your influences, system of thought and continue to challenge and revise or else you fall prey to all kinds of selfish and messy and tribal thinking

And I think these positions serve a subject who wants to think of themselves as free but don’t want to think too hard about why or how. I’m thinking of a particular relative here if this seems like a weird post
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Is consistency important?
 
shiels

shiels

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I think total consistency is impossible because of complexity. I think it’s important to look for inconsistencies and think about what they mean
 
sus

sus

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luka said:
'structural' is a word i've never heard used by an intelligent person. speaking for myself. it's always a word which stands in for thought. which occupies the place thinking should take up.
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I'm very late on this, but I'd like to raise an exception, as usual, for all things Bourdieu. He can use "structural" all he wants in my book, and I'm inclined to believe he understands it better than we.
 
luka

luka

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suspendedreason said:
I'm very late on this, but I'd like to raise an exception, as usual, for all things Bourdieu. He can use "structural" all he wants in my book, and I'm inclined to believe he understands it better than we.
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i've not heard of him. what does he say? can you sum it all up in a pithy tweet sized phrase?
 
sus

sus

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luka said:
i've not heard of him. what does he say? can you sum it all up in a pithy tweet sized phrase?
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"Production is neither freely agentic nor structurally determined, rather, the field constitutes a space of possibles—the potential moves which might be understood by others as moves—from which the artist, according to his disposition and his assessment of the field, selects."
 
sus

sus

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It's good, especially when you consider that previous to Bourdieu, sociologists felt a need to either argue that actors were either "pure agents" with free will, or else deterministic embodiments of a hegemonic ideology.
 
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