Finger on the Pulse

luka

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grime existed in potentia with heartless and supreme team and so soild and the MC culture that came in the wake of them
 

linebaugh

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Might be useful to identify specific eras of the popular pulse. Dont know much about Bowie, but I think Drake it around the if you reading this its too late release, kanye 808's-Yeezus, Bannon 2012-(?)
 

linebaugh

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I think Im using the pulse to mean whatever affects both the main stream and the fringe by the same stroke, though not necessarily affecting the actual content.
 

luka

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I think Im using the pulse to mean whatever affects both the main stream and the fringe by the same stroke, though not necessarily affecting the actual content.

i dont think you should. you HAD to know about jungle before everyone else. you had to know about grime before it was called grime. you had to. if you didn't you didnt have your finger on the pulse. i dont know what the American equivalents are.
 

luka

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these were massive mainstream movements in their own way before official recognition. they were not hidden.
 

linebaugh

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i dont think you should. you HAD to know about jungle before everyone else. you had to know about grime before it was called grime. you had to. if you didn't you didnt have your finger on the pulse. i dont know what the American equivalents are.

I should have specified the visible pulse, the gate keepers. In America, psy-trance is hugely popular but its not the pulse.

The pulse is whatever movement/movements/facets of movements seep their way into other spheres, and thats where your gatekeepers make their biggest mark, I think...
 

constant escape

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Is the pulse even human at this point? I mean, if we consider the avant-garde to be more or less exhausted, where does the cutting/disrupting edge lie? In increasingly singular technologies, that might not even be catering to us at this point? If it isn't catering to us, that might explain why its all just capping out at consumer optimization - which technically is catering to us, but only superficially, no?

I'm probably getting a bunch of things mixed up that are better off sorted out, but hopefully someone finds a valuable question in there.
 

luka

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Is the pulse even human at this point? I mean, if we consider the avant-garde to be more or less exhausted, where does the cutting/disrupting edge lie? In increasingly singular technologies, that might not even be catering to us at this point? If it isn't catering to us, that might explain why its all just capping out at consumer optimization - which technically is catering to us, but only superficially, no?

I'm probably getting a bunch of things mixed up that are better off sorted out, but hopefully someone finds a valuable question in there.

i was explaining yesterday that all music is now generated algoirthmically. this has been the case ever since we were switched over to the simulation
 

Leo

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kind of been touched on here but the thing with bowie (and perhaps drake, not sure because I don't pay attention to him) is it was only the general masses who weren't deeply into music/the arts who thought he was a trailblazer and perpetually ahead of the curve. anyone who was deeply into eno/art rock, jungle, etc. viewed him as a bandwagon jumper, and not even necessarily an early adopter.

if he were truly on the pulse of jungle, he would have done "little wonder" a lot earlier than 1997. but the average passive music fan probably thought he was on the cutting edge when it was released.

gets back to the question: is the pulse at the origin stage, or when it goes mainstream?
 

Leo

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dunno...maybe: what's happening at the formative stage, often still evolving, new but also innovative.
 

constant escape

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gets back to the question: is the pulse at the origin stage, or when it goes mainstream?
If the origin is before the curve/trend, and if that is where the pulse is, then having your finger on the pulse amounts to knowing the mainstream and where it is heading, no? This does seem to be far more acute than merely knowing the mainstream.

Arguably you don't know the mainstream unless you have some sense of where it is heading. Otherwise it is a truly blind movement - but perhaps some will argue that that still counts.
 

version

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An aspect of this thread that's been neglected is whether it's important to keep in touch with the tastes and opinions of the masses. Should we be glancing at The Sun, The Mail etc? Should we watch the odd Marvel film? Should we keep an eye on whatever's trending on social media?
 

luka

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An aspect of this thread that's been neglected is whether it's important to keep in touch with the tastes and opinions of the masses. Should we be glancing at The Sun, The Mail etc? Should we watch the odd Marvel film? Should we keep an eye on whatever's trending on social media?

You should. But that's a different thread.
 

luka

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What I would say version is that due to your relative youth you find it impossible to imagine music as being anything other than an individual consumer choice and that this was the cause of your massive fight and falling out with silver dollars last night,
 

luka

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That very acrimonious and torrid fight was based around this issue and discrepancy in life experience. The notion of 'the pulse' is tied to it. Music as both soundtrack to and glue for a social
 
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