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luka

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the school system is the larger part of this. you could read this as a kind of dream version of the literal truth of school in which you are snatched away from home, tortured, experimented on and sorted into various streams which then determine your life outcomes.
 

luka

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the way the factory in metropolis is both factory, on the mundane plane, and Moloch or the mythic plane.
 

version

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49's one short of the 50 of the Pentecost. The entire book's perpetually on the brink of revelation.
 

version

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the school system is the larger part of this. you could read this as a kind of dream version of the literal truth of school in which you are snatched away from home, tortured, experimented on and sorted into various streams which then determine your life outcomes.
There's the program in Bleeding Edge too. There's a character called Windust who's put through it. They abduct children, put them through a brutal training regime and mould them into time-traveling, neoliberal enforcers.
 

luka

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There's the program in Bleeding Edge too. There's a character called Windust who's put through it. They abduct children, put them through a brutal training regime and mould them into time-traveling, neoliberal enforcers.

should i read that again? i remember thinking it was drippy and vague and dull.
 

Mr. Tea

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Stranger Things and shows like it can't be ignored in bringing this stuff to the surface. Particularly stranger things.
The 'psychic kids being experimented on/trained as weapons by sinister government types' comes straight from Akira, I think:


Although it's also in Scanners, but they're adults in that.
 

luka

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it's in Akira but if you read the thread you will see version has given over 100 examples of the appearance of this theme throughout all of popular culture, high art, myth and religion.
 
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version

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should i read that again? i remember thinking it was drippy and vague and dull.
It's definitely one of his weakest, but there's still stuff going on. This might make you wanna re-read it,
Pynchon's art pushes and advances the edge of mind expansion in new ways. Many reviewers seem to think that Bleeding Edge, although good in itself, doesn't live up to Pynchon's best work. I disagree.

Bleeding Edge begins and ends with main protagonist, Maxine Tarnow, watching out for her kids. Walking them to school in the beginning, seeing them on to a elevator at the end.

She is introduced in the first paragraph. Maxine suggests maximum. The last word in the book is "least." Bleeding Edge goes from "maximum" to "least" though the similarity of its beginning and ending - both have the same characters present, both occur on spring-like days, both have pear trees blossoming, suggests a circularity in the narrative. The ending of Bleeding Edge connects to the beginning.
 
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version

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"As Maxine watches (her children), sunlight finds its way past rooflines and water tanks to the end of the block, and into one particular tree, which all at once is filled with light."

Sunlight goes beyond any previously established limits and ends the blockage of water, filling the tree with light. It should come as no surprise that I interpret this tree as the qabalistic Tree of Life. The higher emotional center on the Tree of Life (Tim Leary's circuit 6) corresponds with the sphere of Tiphareth that also corresponds with the Sun.

If Bleeding Edge reads as an alchemical manual on one level, then Pynchon can't get any more transparent when he has Maxine say: "Guys, check it out, that tree?" right after the last quoted sentence. About as clear of an instruction as you can get.
 

version

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There's a guy on the Pynchon sub who's in the process of dismantling it to an absurd degree.
 

luka

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all that sentimental stuff about Maxine and family i found offputting in the extreme
 

version

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There's a guy on the Pynchon sub who's in the process of dismantling it to an absurd degree.
He was posting photos of his copy and it all looks like this.

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