WashYourHands

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We used it on a mix once but I'm not sure which one.... this mix here begins (after the bleeps) with a Psychic TV tune but I can't remember what it's called annoyingly....

https://www.mixcloud.com/lizatron/invisible-city/listeners/

(hmmm, listening back to that the mixing on is a little bit, er, unconventional at times I've noticed. I think that was the first one we did together)
I’m on lates until the end of the month, so will dive in as winter unfolds. Ta for the heads up.
 

luka

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does seediness still exist in music? Lots of sleaze, which is more glamourous, but is there still this seedy sex pervert vibe that this list is detailing?
 

Leo

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does seediness still exist in music? Lots of sleaze, which is more glamourous, but is there still this seedy sex pervert vibe that this list is detailing?
that's a good distinction and question. record labels and the listening public are probably more receptive to sleaze, which seems less serious, more glamorous as you say, something for entertainment purposes. seediness implies genuine danger and depravity.
 

WashYourHands

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does seediness still exist in music? Lots of sleaze, which is more glamourous, but is there still this seedy sex pervert vibe that this list is detailing?
Part of what your inferring might get a reveal when the meat on the bones of Coil’s best works is arrived at. Transgressive behaviour, the sacred and the profane get a thorough seeing to in Christopher Partridge’s The Lyre of Orpheus text (highly recommended) and CFT’s book (mentioned previously in relation to GPO) is a nuanced dive into such realms from a female perspective.

When you say ‘seedy’ a track that pings back in my mind is


With CFT, the image she projected was backed up by outrageous talent, ie it was never just erotica for the sake of it. C&C’s music is what defines them imho, not anything specific to sleaze. That musical quality is also what separates them from what Psychic TV amassed post Christopherson and Balance forming Coil - I’ve a handful of Psychic TV records, but nearly everything C&C/CTI and Coil put out.

Transgression and sexuality seem bled out of contemporary music. Layers of images of flouncing pop stars have painted over so much and after TOPY it can all seem a bit half-arsed and pointless anyway. Thighpaulsandra, Sion Orgon and Hirsute Pursuit certainly go at it nevertheless




Sleaze/seediness isn’t enough by itself, but maybe dogging themed/sampled electronica and field recordings could crack this bottle necked containment. Subvert > overt.
 

luka

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One thing that is urgent is that you listen to digital rasta while thinking of a Michael Jackson song and realising how close it is to being a Michael Jackson song given the right arrangements and requisite musical tAlent. They aren't trying to make a Jackson song obviously, but listen in that light, very amazing.
 

luka

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It's partly fascinating to me cos im the generation under. WYH is 50, I'm 41. Their world seems more intense more brutal more demented. There's no one like these sex perverts anymore. And nothing like his experimental weirdo culture expose yourself to schoolchildren.
 

WashYourHands

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You want me to listen to Digital Rasta through the lens of Michael Jackson.....

"Digital Rasta" _Microphonies_ Cabaret Voltaire

This could be the end of it all.
There's a woman in the woods behind you,
No time to step and crawl.
No time to tip-toe.
In this security -- work, you, I don't dig.
Shut down.
This could be the end of it all.
This could be the end of it all.
All you wanted, a view of your own.
Now awaiting, Judgement Day.
Flash past, the art escapes you.
Never there in black and white.
There's a lesson to be learned.
Living on the words of others.
Selling something like you sell yourself.
Money in the bank, but you're under pressure.
This could be the end of it all.
This could be the end of it all.
There's a lesson to be learned.
Selling something like you sell yourself.
Money in the bank, but you're under pressure.
This could be the end of it all.
This could be the end of it all.
Power in the new line, call it strong.
Everything for positive reason.
Evil, comes too easy.
Never at a tender scratch.
S on the side, but you're under pressure.
It's over, the worst behind you.
No time to step and grow.
No time to, tip-toe.
In your security, work, you, I don't dig.
Shut down. Shut down.
This could be the end of it all.
This could be the end of it all.
There's a lesson to be learned.
Living on the words of others.
Selling something like you sell yourself.
Money in the bank, but you're under pressure.
This could be the end of it all.
This could be the end of it all.
All you wanted, a view of your own.
Now awaiting, Judgement Day.
Flash past, the art escapes you.
Never there in black and white.
There's a lesson to be learned.
Living on the words of others.
Selling something like you sell yourself.
Money in the bank, but you're under pressure.
This could be the end of it all.
This could be the end of it all.
Power in the new line, call it strong.
Everything for positive reason.

Hmmmm, tip-toeing through guest bedrooms, never there in black and white?
 

luka

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My my time line is hip hop acid hardcore jungle garage grime his is punk industrial house. I grew up in his world, I remember it sort of. Psycholand.
 

luka

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The defining characteristic of English music is ideas without talent. That's why we love it.
 

luka

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But imagine Quincy and Michael getting hold of English rasta when you listen to English rasta it's very important to hold these two ideas in your hand at once, the actual song, and the Michael Jackson version, that's called the method of dialectics
 

WashYourHands

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Dancing Ghosts was cited in the first few pages. Massive tune, then and now. The relationship between industrial and house is far more interesting to these ears (than anything overtly seedy). Dancing Ghosts rests at that threshold/intersection. It hasn’t aged a day. C&C retain their punch because they repeated the trick over and over. Yes, some of it can sound a tad 80’s, but there’s a depth to the sound-worlds they created and curated, supported by serious production chops. The longer you spend in their company, the stronger the signal resonates. Ideas and no talent? Have to strongly disagree there chap. And we haven’t ploughed into hip hop, afrobeat or house fully yet. Let’s not get too reductive about timelines or talent too soon.

Psycholand is always there - in the subtext, in the background - lurking, waiting, gestating the old dark gods into new forms. We won’t necessarily see another F Bacon, or experience Soho’s worst historical elements, but their potency is just below our psychic surface and there are more cracks into those worlds than ever. You’ve just got to poke around.
 
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