luka

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I'm fascinated by this list not the boring old American stuff but the English stuff that was being made when I was an infant, the whole sense of the world I grew up in but was too young to be aware of.
 

WashYourHands

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But imagine Quincy and Michael getting hold of English rasta when you listen to English rasta it's very important to hold these two ideas in your hand at once, the actual song, and the Michael Jackson version, that's called the method of dialectics
Thought you were anti-dialectic? Please don’t make me think of Digital Rasta as English Rasta, or Michael Jackson doing a cover. Shudder.
 

luka

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Dancing ghosts is something you could put into relationship with bleep and bass and it would be both better and worse at once
 

WashYourHands

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I'm fascinated by this list not the boring old American stuff but the English stuff that was being made when I was an infant, the whole sense of the world I grew up in but was too young to be aware of.
Fits the Grim Britannia vibe, TG press shots around Hackney captured this over and over. Dereliction everywhere. That’s why what C&C achieved post-TG remains uniquely stunning. Imagine them presenting Dancing Ghosts as a demo to GPO and the subsequent outcome - it would never have been released. The organising composer vs the orchestra, where mutiny becomes the only sane route out. Hallelujah.
 

luka

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Yeah I'm really meditating on it and also playing my early memories eg 4 hero early 90s memories as a compare and contrast. A secret history of England.
 

luka

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Newham had money EU pumped into it in the 90s but before that it was the world of this list in a way. Syringes, football violence, decay
 

luka

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Focus in laser on what works it's pared down its more advanced but you lose some of the wider affect field
 

luka

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I'm a 90s partisan my music is the best but we lose some of what the 80s bequeath
 

thirdform

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Dancing Ghosts was cited in the first few pages. Massive tune, then and now. The relationship between industrial and house is far more interesting to these ears (than anything overtly seedy). Dancing Ghosts rests at that threshold/intersection. It hasn’t aged a day. C&C retain their punch because they repeated the trick over and over. Yes, some of it can sound a tad 80’s, but there’s a depth to the sound-worlds they created and curated, supported by serious production chops. The longer you spend in their company, the stronger the signal resonates. Ideas and no talent? Have to strongly disagree there chap. And we haven’t ploughed into hip hop, afrobeat or house fully yet. Let’s not get too reductive about timelines or talent too soon.

Psycholand is always there - in the subtext, in the background - lurking, waiting, gestating the old dark gods into new forms. We won’t necessarily see another F Bacon, or experience Soho’s worst historical elements, but their potency is just below our psychic surface and there are more cracks into those worlds than ever. You’ve just got to poke around.
tbf i like that idea of people in the UK making music without talent, the problem is a lot of the punk 77 boys were precisely too talented. 10 years before, in 1967, they would have all been in a blues rock band and wanking over Eric Clapton.
 

thirdform

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cabs are fucking great though, proper baader meinhof anglosaxon gloom ina di dancehall, that's what made post-punk so great and the clash so booooring, one of the worst bands of that time, apart from the first album which is decent enough garage i suppose.

 
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