Well, it's funny you say that, I can never let go of my xenakis records which are far more weirded out than Mark Fell could ever be. Actually I really like Fell but the minimalism of his approach is what gives it a short shelflife. Whereas historical abstract electronic music was based on very complex composition. Fell's music almost swerves that. It's complex numerically, but not compositionally. It's the difference between a darbuka solo and writing a multi maqam semai for a saz instrument.
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Well, it's funny you say that, I can never let go of my xenakis records which are far more weirded out than Mark Fell could ever be. Actually I really like Fell but the minimalism of his approach is what gives it a short shelflife. Whereas historical abstract electronic music was based on very complex composition. Fell's music almost swerves that. It's complex numerically, but not compositionally. It's the difference between a darbuka solo and writing a multi maqam semai for a saz instrument.
it was always like this though! trad jazz in the 1950s, garage punk in the 70s, rockabilly and jazz funk/rare groove in the 80s, kosmische/krautrock revival in the 90s. Retromania has always been there, we are just more aware of it these days. and that's because of the disappearance of genuine spaces for expressive freedom, warehouses, fields etc.
CCP approved djs would be something. At the moment Senni is Salvini-approved.
I think it's his brand of minimalism really. it's ttorn between trying to be minimalistic - in the rob hood sense where the momentum is the unchanging same, (fantastic use of minimalism btw) and actually going pure number generator but without the variation of sounds to make it interesting. That being said I do think Mark Fell stuff has a fairly decent shelflife, but then I am a fan. But from the skeptical perspective of it having a short shelflife, that is the way i can see that.
The thing is overly melodic electronic music sooner or later ends up sounding like trance, unless we go back to analog synths. like a lot of anthem trance is compressed tangerine dream. Not so much Klaus Schulze, but Dream and Jarre.
JMJ wrote the blueprint for what senni is trying to deconstruct. So it's not really strictly a 90s gatecrasher thing.
nah those guys are 100% prime UKG contingent. if you're talking about the football casuals, get pissed on the weekend, get in a fight with a few blokes, pull a bird end of it. The real contemptible end of it is Paul Weller and Blues and Soul readers, mostly all white, middle class and from brighton or some weird town in the North, or a west londoner.
pattycakes_
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White dudes who wear flat caps singing earnestly about their gran. Or a dreadlocked white dude with a Bob marley t shirt whos in a 3rd wave ska band.
no, but it wasn't the post-punk essex boys who got into house en masse was it! It's always an uncomfortable thought to think that some twentysomething ruffneck ragga junglist from 94 was probably making love to teddy pendergrass at the age of 16, I know, but it's true.
chava
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I am somewhat with you. Pure machine music will never cut it. But just as desperately doing harder and harder "algorhythms" to somehow signal either insight or submission into the techno-capitalist machinery banging on your analogue drums harder and harder and voicing your deepest emotions won't get your anywhere than you already are either (in your own body).
Abstract expressionism and automatic/generative art are equally vulgar and Autechre has probably a foot in each camp, haha. Better embrace impressionism through Basic Channel.
pattycakes_
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Our only hope
chava
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yes but basic channel perfected it. you listen to most other dub techno and it makes you never want to listen to music again. especially deepchord, who i can't stand. Vladislav Delay, fluxion, pol etc are the few producers who have managed to keep the adventurism of bc alive. otherwise all that 2010s giegling and yajya stuff, just despairing man.
chava
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totally agreed. On top of it the BC copycats are doing it to clean and sentimental. Porter Ricks is okay, though. Here's a newer producer I like:
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the question, i guess, it how you de-colonise art of the dynamics of fashion
information and semiotics. pastiche and irony. how do you disregard it? how do you do something that's not a statement?
information and semiotics. pastiche and irony. how do you disregard it? how do you do something that's not a statement?
chava
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What is Berghain techno these days anyways?
Boring as in uneventful is fine by me. That's what techno is about.
chava
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It will always be an aesthetic statement and a comment on other artists/styles.
It helps if you include your own idiosyncrasies, detach from 'scenes', invest yourself a bit (not too much, we won't have any soul pouring stuff going on) and most importantly unsubscribe from the Boomkat newsletter.