chava
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Yeah it has the groove, but isn't this just pure 90s dub techno? I feel I have 200 records like this
Lorenzo Senni
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pattycakes_
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Drumcode, loads of low passed reverb on the kick
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This is why I made sure to make it clear I'm not talking soul boy. Soppy, earnest preciousness isn't what this is about. Coil is soulful as much as anyone. It's about the human, which we're leaving behind as has been covered in so many threads over the last few years on here. Art vs design thread is a good example.
padraig (u.s.)
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gods love you and due respect but that whole line of reasoning is I mean, come on dude, it's nonsense. it's always nonsense.
that there's some nebulous quality soul that imparts authenticity is exactly soulboyism. it's dance music's version of rockism.
what is soul? can you point to it, can you explain it?
without resorting to posting old tunes or old guys talking about old times, or equally nebulous synonyms like truth, spirit, "the human"
I can tell you why old guys like old music. it's no mystery and has nothing to do with old music having more soul.
it's because we're old, in popular culture terms, and youth culture is by definition for young people
it would be much stranger if we didn't think old stuff was better
padraig (u.s.)
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the problem - to whatever extent it is a problem - with Senni etc isn't some lack of soul
is that he takes music devoted to functionality and energy and strips of it those exact qualities, leaving hollow nothingness
people have been doing that for almost the entire history of electronic dance music with results ranging from dull to abysmal
tho some people do like it and fair enough. what can't be argued is that it's anything but a leech on something vital, be it a past or present vitality.
it's like one of those made-up interdisciplinary academic fields that don't exist outside the context of other academic fields (i.e. performance studies)
is that he takes music devoted to functionality and energy and strips of it those exact qualities, leaving hollow nothingness
people have been doing that for almost the entire history of electronic dance music with results ranging from dull to abysmal
tho some people do like it and fair enough. what can't be argued is that it's anything but a leech on something vital, be it a past or present vitality.
it's like one of those made-up interdisciplinary academic fields that don't exist outside the context of other academic fields (i.e. performance studies)
pattycakes_
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Haha, and I love them back, but I have to disagree, p.
Whole clip is good but 0:33 is what it's all about. Giving of yourself. Naked, vulnerable expression of whatever your truth is. No holding back. I get how wet and hippy that sounds, but that's what it is.
Soulboyism is white people glomming onto black culture as virtue signal. Flat caps, Bob marley worship, earnest, pious. Compensating.
No better than Mr West, in the yt above.
If that's how you see it, fair enough. But I strongly disagree. There's a difference between now and back in the day that is unique to us now in the post millennial world. We've covered it in dematerialization. Also the transcendent thing me and you talked about in the depths thread. Where is that now? Its all but disappeared.
Soul has nothing to do with age. It has to do with attitude. Strength. Spirit. Again, the YouTube.
It's a new age, p.
Nostalgia's not what it used to be
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Isn't all this scrambled a bit when you've got people leaving comments like this under Senni tunes?
Peter Campbell 1 week ago
listened to this on a good dose of mushrooms under a full moon in the green mountains of VT during quarantine and felt connected to everything, was beautiful
Mr_Cautious_Calmer 4 months ago
Lorenzo, you are a beautiful person <3
swirls 1 year ago
This song is the sound of my heart leaving my body and making waves of love all throughout the technoverse=]] illsee you there
dan b 1 year ago
the maestro. your music makes me cry
Martina Pieri 3 years ago
This music takes my mind and it heals
Peter Campbell 1 week ago
listened to this on a good dose of mushrooms under a full moon in the green mountains of VT during quarantine and felt connected to everything, was beautiful
Mr_Cautious_Calmer 4 months ago
Lorenzo, you are a beautiful person <3
swirls 1 year ago
This song is the sound of my heart leaving my body and making waves of love all throughout the technoverse=]] illsee you there
dan b 1 year ago
the maestro. your music makes me cry
Martina Pieri 3 years ago
This music takes my mind and it heals
I think the issue can be framing here, I don't think the intent of the person making the music is ever clear just from listening. When I first heard his music it was in some thread about songs without percussion that could still work on a dancefloor, so I listened and thought this is something interesting, sonically, musically. I didn't feel passionate about it but I don't think that always has to be the case.
If upon first listening I had framed it as deconstructed trance for hipsters then I would have listened to it in a totally different way.
I haven't bothered to look into him that much, as pointed out the titling of his music is pretty cynical and cringy sounding, it may be that he just slotted into that hipster crowd and started playing on the deconstructed club music thing more because it was getting him more gigs.. playing devils advocate here really because I have no idea and wouldn't call myself a fan.
If upon first listening I had framed it as deconstructed trance for hipsters then I would have listened to it in a totally different way.
I haven't bothered to look into him that much, as pointed out the titling of his music is pretty cynical and cringy sounding, it may be that he just slotted into that hipster crowd and started playing on the deconstructed club music thing more because it was getting him more gigs.. playing devils advocate here really because I have no idea and wouldn't call myself a fan.
padraig (u.s.)
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that's better, because it's closer to an actual definition than just repeating the word "soul" like a totemic mantra.
but look - I'm not saying things like that don't exist for an artist, for an audience, in the spaces of the relationship between them, and the art itself
I'm saying there's no universal quality "soul" that you or Cornel West or anyone can know and say this has it and that does not
the key tenet of soulboyism is the worship of authenticity conceived as soulful
padraig (u.s.)
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transcendence is a personal matter
believe what you want, of course
to me this talk of soul is the same as old guys complaining athletes don't play the game the right way
but there is no way that is somehow inherently more right (or, soulful), just what you prefer
believe what you want, of course
to me this talk of soul is the same as old guys complaining athletes don't play the game the right way
but there is no way that is somehow inherently more right (or, soulful), just what you prefer
padraig (u.s.)
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I'm confident you'd find the same comments under Tiesto or Ferry Corsten or whoever
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Yeah, probably. But if some people are having as strong a response to that stuff as others to jungle or whatever then how can we say one has soul and the other doesn't? What makes one person's response to James Brown or AFX or whoever more valuable than another's response to Lorenzo Senni or Tiesto?
padraig (u.s.)
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in aesthetic terms, absolutely nothing
you perceive the inherent problem of soul. we can't say what has soul and what doesn't even in the loose way we could say something has "energy".
since it's not a definable quality, you're left with either meaningless synonyms (attitude, strength, spirit) or appeals to authority (Cornel West)
worse, not only is it the most nebulous of musical qualities, it's unique in also imparting a moral quality
something which has soul being superior to something which does not
it's - I mean, there's just no other word for it than nonsense, I'm sorry
I think it can have meaning if everyone is on the same page, if there is some element in a group of pieces of music that a group of people can hear but can't pinpoint what it is.. the essence of their enjoyment. Can it be absolute ? Definitely not. Doesn't mean the discourse is necessarily meaningless if you can group things together successfully.