Erisology

[sus]

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This last one to me is probably an illustration of a "the outgroup is all the same" bias I should write up

"Metal all sounds the same" / "Country all sounds the same" Naw, you just haven't spent enough time in it to noticed the meaningfully different moves, the way people distinguish one another

ah found what I was lookin for: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-group_homogeneity

 

[constant escape]

is there a way to avoid new expression of cultural energy hardening into entrenched dogmatism? is it possible to carve out new cultural space without it closing off potential forward paths? what are some potential ways to disincentivize victory as a means of self-validation? idk, I'm just spitballing

For the last one, maybe convincing someone that constant progress is much more deeply fulfilling than immediate victory? After that, convince them that dialectics is optimized for such progress. After that, convinced them that the optimal approach to dialectics is to start from a position of acknowledged lack of knowledge (which, compared to infinity, applies to virtually everyone). That would be my blueprint, but have you any thoughts otherwise?

This is pretty much straight from Socrates, as far as I can tell, so it almost inevitably leads to the smart(ass) posing as the fool - but perhaps that is resolvable by shifting one's tone.

Marxmanship.

Solid.

And for @luka

Tugged between the war of Love and Truth,
each bearing, nested, the heart of the other,
veritably invisible to onlookers aside,
hearts only visible near enough one
to lose the other in the fog.

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

maybe convincing someone that constant progress is much more deeply fulfilling than immediate victory

oh boy, good luck with that if the audience isn't receptive in the first place

you'll almost certainly do much better appealing to some more immediate self-interest than "constant progress"

especially because the kind of constant progress you're talking about has neither an end nor an actual reward, being its own reward and an end in itself

people, in my experience, usually preferring attainable goals to the eternal quest for self-betterment

I mean, how does diplomacy work? you convince people compromise and common ground are in their best self-interest

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

as you can tell, no, I don't really have any specific ideas besides the obvious

aside, has there ever been a more insufferable person than Plato's version of Socrates? like, he's unbearable

the Platonic ideal (yes, you see what I did there) of a humblebrag

 

[sus]

James Carse has a good book about what CE said about constant progress/immediate victory—he calls it infinite and finite games. Infinite games are where you just try to keep the ball in the air, and you make up rules as you go in order to generate new life; language and culture and broadly infinite. Finite games are trying to maximize returns given a timeframe—"cashing in" as they say. Finite & Infinite Games, a little Nietzschean meets Parsig, but nice.

 

[sus]

A thread is definitely an infinite game