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DannyL

Wild Horses
I'm coming around to the same assessment of Cummings. The great project is pretty much just looking like bog standard graft for his mates.
 

DannyL

Wild Horses
TBh, that statement reminds me of you also.

There were a few comments you made about rioting etc can't remember exactly but it was pretty much everything needs smashing to shit.
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
TBh, that statement reminds me of you also.

There were a few comments you made about rioting etc can't remember exactly but it was pretty much everything needs smashing to shit.
That, plus fantasies of lining people up for the guillotine.

(Although, to be fair, who amongst us hasn't indulged in that sort of thought from time to time?)
 

Leo

Well-known member
a conman, sure, but bannon has ideological beliefs. I think he genuinely believes in all the nationalist/populist talking points he uses.

can't say I'm clear on Luka's ideology.
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
burning ideologue and self-serving graft are hardly mutually exclusive

they usually go hand-in-hand, unless the ideology is specifically opposed to personal corruption - and even then, the flesh is weak

the question is what balance they exist within a person in a position of power, which will win out when they come into conflict

I don't question the sincerity, more or less, Bannon's beliefs - that is exactly what makes this so much more amusing than if he was merely a conman

not that his complete amorality is at all surprising but use those very beliefs to prey on his coreligionists, well, you have to hand it to him
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
and while it's certainly true that he's not interested in governing, I think he is interested in exercising power, or influencing those who do

he's just really fucking bad at it, temperamentally and ideologically both
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
burning ideologue and self-serving graft are hardly mutually exclusive

they usually go hand-in-hand, unless the ideology is specifically opposed to personal corruption - and even then, the flesh is weak
It's surely only a matter of time before it turns out Corbyn once appropriated twenty quid from a Free Palestine fundraiser and used it to bribe a judge in a marrow-growing competition.
 

DannyL

Wild Horses
It's surely only a matter of time before it turns out Corbyn once appropriated twenty quid from a Free Palestine fundraiser and used it to bribe a judge in a marrow-growing competition.
The first book is out about the "Corbyn years" is out so youre closer to the truth than you think. I noticed an angry exchange about oatcakes earlier where the phrase "oatcake truther" was employed.
 

luka

Well-known member
TBh, that statement reminds me of you also.

There were a few comments you made about rioting etc can't remember exactly but it was pretty much everything needs smashing to shit.

There's are fairly important differences between dreaming of revolution and fantasising about a war between the US and China in my opinion.
 

luka

Well-known member
My 'ideology' is very simplistic and easy to grasp. It is that the world is a racket run by mobsters and our job is use the weight of numbers to kill the mobsters. Literally kill them, not symbolically
 
Once we kill the mobsters and seize the god function might there be danger that we become mobsters ourselves? Perhaps get killed by other mobsters? Even worser ones?
 

Leo

Well-known member
My 'ideology' is very simplistic and easy to grasp. It is that the world is a racket run by mobsters and our job is use the weight of numbers to kill the mobsters. Literally kill them, not symbolically

is that an ideology, though? that's more of an action, a rallying cry to get to someplace else. what kind of world do you want after the mobsters are killed? is it a liberal or conservative world? how are decisions made? is there a ruler? democratically elected or appointed by the mobster killers? checks and balances?
 

luka

Well-known member
Once we kill the mobsters and seize the god function might there be danger that we become mobsters ourselves? Perhaps get killed by other mobsters? Even worser ones?

Yeah that's the conservative position. Obviously could be right
 

luka

Well-known member
But my feeling is the act of killing itself is worth risking anything which follows it. Just in terms of the human races self respect
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
Yeah, "kill the bad dudes" isn't much of an "ideology". It's a means to an end. Everyone wants that.
 
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