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woops

is not like other people
if i contribute to this thread it'll become a constant scream of my own tunes. but seriously, this is like a discussion from 2005 or whenever it was everyone was talking about burial, pitch stretching voices into other genders, using or rather "re-contextualising" your recordings of fire or whatever. a lot of these comments sound to me very much like writers getting poetic, who don't know much about the theory and practice of music, like that kodwo one, i mean he's right"in a sense" but rewinding a tune doesn't somehow magically reverse the flow of time. when i'm making my noises i start from the principle if it sounds good, it is good.
 

luka

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i disagree becasue listening is a crucial componenet of world building, of how we construct our image of reality. we extrapolate from sound to event to world. this is the crucial thjing. music creates environments.
 

you

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There is a difference between 'alien sounds' that mvuent pointed out as being thrown around as a descriptor (that I didn't give them credit for), and certain cultural sonic aesthetics that impress, impart, a sense of a world beyond. But, Luka, surly in discussing musics that 'transport' there is a risk of falling into exoticising some music - i.e. the lazy equivalence of synth and spaceship.

Woops. I recall this riff. But, it works in literary terms. If a book did that, a fractured narrative, one'd say it 'moved back and forth in time'. I don't think it's a terrible argument for sampling and scratching moving the listener's experience back and forth within diegetic time.
 

luka

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i dont think i have a horror of exoticising. it doesn't bother me a great deal. in fact, it's probably a very good thing. synth does equal spaceship. there is a real concrete relationship there.
 

woops

is not like other people
fair enough. it does work in literary terms. but those terms remain literary - maybe at my most purple i'd go into a rapture writing about record scratching, but if i was making a tune it's just a sound
 

sadmanbarty

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introducing a touch of the avant garde to the familiar can have the effect of drawing out the alieness hidden underneath established forms.

The thirdform reading of funk- rigid, robotic, automated, mechanic- might not have been immediately apparent to me if it wasn’t for tracks like these:



By giving funk a sci fi twist, these tracks allow me to reinterpret the source material; they make me hear things like James brown and the Metres in that robotic, automated way
 

luka

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fair enough. it does work in literary terms. but those terms remain literary - maybe at my most purple i'd go into a rapture writing about record scratching, but if i was making a tune it's just a sound

there is no such thing as just a sound. unless perhaps you are catatonic.
 

luka

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At a certain level of abstraction you leave the human behind and enter the realm of engineering.

sound denoting an operation, a movement, and how a point is reached at which that movement, that operation, is rationalised into engineering, away from the exigencies of an individual human body, abstracted into an energy equation.

The smurf is funk become engineering.

To hit a drum becomes a mechanised procedure of downward pressure, rationalised, a piston, without the complex rotational, hinged architecture of shoulder, elbow wrist, bicep, tricep, hand etc.

Bodies are abstracted into machines but then the machines themselves are abstracted out of existence. The stage we are at now.

Dematerialisation.

 

luka

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if you are not extrapoloating sound into information and sensation, if it is remaining as 'just a sound' there has been a catastrophic failure of both the listening and the imaginative faculties.

the question should be why is a synth a spaceship and i think a large part of the answer lies in the absence of friction
 

luka

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this is a thread that might have had slight success in the barty era but probably won't in the current one

@shiels are you going to let mvuent say we're nothing without the Boy Wonder? aren't you going to prove him wrong? throw those words back in his face, with extra hot sauce!
 

luka

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it worked on me instantly. i didnt even want to try and resist it. he knows how to push my buttons.
 

luka

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He's just been to Turkey on sex tour and was sharing his new theories on Muslim bangers with me. He's a convert.
 

sufi

lala
He's just been to Turkey on sex tour and was sharing his new theories on Muslim bangers with me. He's a convert.

!ما شاء الله, بارك الله
I always knew he was on the right path :love:

Sounds like good timing for me thread then
 

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