Your Journey to the Alt-Right.

[poetix]

I mean, I have an alt on twitter that follows the spectrum of right-wing accounts on there, and they range from lowkey racist to screamingly racist - for one thing.

 

[luka]

I mean, I have an alt on twitter that follows the spectrum of right-wing accounts on there, and they range from lowkey racist to screamingly racist - for one thing.

that seems to me to be what the alt right is really all about and the key to their success. craner could never be alt right cos he thinks racism is abhorrent. he's too fastidious. he'd go, ew gross, how vulgar

 

[poetix]

Craner is not apparently animated by a dreadful fear that black and brown people will soon outnumber white peopie on the streets of European cities, and accordingly has no need to theorize that this is all the work of rootless cosmopolitans intent on subverting the traditional and correct moral order of the world, thank goodness.

 

[WashYourHands]

It’s all really weird in the true Anglo-Saxon meaning of a wayward twist of the fates. It seems to sit on two life callings - being someone and/or doing something. It’s a persona trip that has to be fought over because by nature it’s territorial, exclusive, demarcated, mostly male, left hand pathy and therefore open to behavioural science, pathology etc. Used to be you could all just muck in together and smash cunts at the football. Jokes.

Red Wedge had recruits from firms and working class Irish, but the right’s presence wasn’t digital then. Its belligerence is standard intransigence though. No change there, agitators will always coalesce. Having experienced wonky, nationalist, influences at school and church, where Cromwell was Satan (and remains so) and the English were all Bond villains, any study of identity comes with a weird mood. It’s the propensity for violence and chaos, the inevitably of people enjoying the friction it necessitates. The ‘true punks’ inverted inward, but mostly confused narcissism when facing outward reeking of intellectual entitlement.

 

[luka]

I started out in a position of general contempt for and impatience with The Left, being a nihilistic gen-x-er and also an intellectual snob, so no Great Disillusionment has ever been on the cards for me. I now hold the general view that The Left are often weak, hypocritical and religiously conformist people who are nevertheless broadly right about the things that really matter - unlike The Right who, barring a few genuine intellectual big-hitters with complex motivations, are all of those things but also horrible bigots. In short, for me it's not Wrong But Romantic vs Right But Repulsive, it's Right And Repulsive vs Wrong And Repulsive.

this is me too broadly speaking except im not clever enough to be an intellectual snob.

 

[luka]

im every other type of snob though

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

I now hold the general view that The Left are often weak, hypocritical and religiously conformist people who are nevertheless broadly right about the things that really matter - unlike The Right who, barring a few genuine intellectual big-hitters with complex motivations, are all of those things but also horrible bigots. In short, for me it's not Wrong But Romantic vs Right But Repulsive, it's Right And Repulsive vs Wrong And Repulsive.

would agree with everything there besides religiously conformist, the left being if anything constantly riven with heresies

but other than that, spot on

 

[john eden]

I was patronised by socialists as a teenager in the eighties but the anarchists were cool and had better parties.

I watched the film “The Red Pill” recently which apparently has magickal powers to turn people into alt-right men’s rights activists. Disappointingly it didn’t appear to work on me.

I take little pleasure in saying the mens rights activists appear to be whiners with no political platform other than saying that bad things happen to men - as if this is news and somehow invalidates feminism.

I suspect my route, if I was to take one today, would begin with an ultra Marxist critique of “identity politics“ used as a cloak for my bitter disillusionment and hatred of young people. Except I don’t hate young people.

 

[DannyL]

Funnily enough, I just started reading an essay by Nick Land. I've been too much of an intellectual lightweight to finish it though.

 

[DannyL]

Reading Dissensus was easier.

 

[john eden]

Reading Dissensus was easier.

probably healthier too.

 

[DannyL]

This guy is offering a course in accelerationism, if anything wants to go in: https://hermitix.teachable.com/p/the-philosophy-and-politics-of-accelerationism

 

[DannyL]

Wouldn't all that be close to the spiritual father of the site? Am I right in thinking there was a link between K-punk and Nick Land?

 

[john eden]

Someone else will know the chronology better but I thought accelerationism happened after Land was at Warwick?

Also Woebot is as much if not more the Dissensus founder...

 

[luka]

Wouldn't all that be close to the spiritual father of the site? Am I right in thinking there was a link between K-punk and Nick Land?

yeah Land was his guru and mentor

 

[luka]

Funnily enough, I just started reading an essay by Nick Land. I've been too much of an intellectual lightweight to finish it though.

which essay?

 

[luka]

Someone else will know the chronology better but I thought accelerationism happened after Land was at Warwick?

Also Woebot is as much if not more the Dissensus founder...

i think so but a lot of the preconditions for accelerationism were already in place.

 

[version]

This guy is offering a course in accelerationism, if anything wants to go in: https://hermitix.teachable.com/p/the-philosophy-and-politics-of-accelerationism

There's a Dissensian involved in that.

 

[DannyL]

Matt W seems to set the tone for amazing music, K-punk for the spirit behind some of the arguments. I think he's become a bit canonised since his passing perhaps, it occludes the fact that lots of people were disagreeing with him.

 

[DannyL]

There's a Dissensian involved in that.

I thought so.