The Natural State

luka

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basically it's not unreasonable to say things like, "it's more natural for ppl to live in the countryside than the city". it's not necessarily true (or false), and it might be a cliche or whatever, but it's not a meaningless or incoherent claim
I suppose I think that these are value judgements and amount to saying it is better for people to live in the countryside than in the city and we will make these value judgements for a multitude of interlocking reasons but hopefully we are able to be guided by feedback from our machines. Where do I feel happier, where do I feel healthier, where do I do my best thinking, where can I best set up a communication channel to The Instructors, the disincarnate intelligences of the invisible world and so on and so forth.
 

luka

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There are instances where we feel comfortable universalising these judgements eg it is better not to live in a radiation dump, or to breathe in carbon monoxide and particulate matter or be locked in solitary confinement and there are other instances in which we will be content to say this is what works for me, at this stage of my life.
 
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luka

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Nitpicking over the term natural and trying in various ways to 'problematise' it seems to be a displacement of this central struggle
 

luka

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Where people are trying to listen to themselves, to their aches and pains and anxieties and blockages and so on and to try and link those complaints to aspects of their environment and lifestyle and to mitigate against the ill effects be it through diet or exercise etc

And, as mentioned previously there are a zillion other people monetising those anxieties by marketing quack cures.
 

luka

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We have some sense of ourselves as always running well below peak potential and we want to know why is this the case. Why am I so stupid. Why do I feel so bad. Why is my body so weak and stiff and Ill proportioned. Why am I full of doubt and fear. Etc etc etc. How do come into my inheritance and birthright, which is to say, perfection, godhood and godhead
 

luka

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This obviously is the central theme of @Matthew new book. And you can see how it links to psychedelia & was driven by psychedelia because those drugs give you a lived insight into how it could be. They give you your magical powers back for a time and leave you with the question of how to win them back permanantly
 

luka

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And that question might lead you to eat brown rice and vegetables, drastically cut down on your drinking and keep a regular appointment with Adrienne like me or it might lead you to drink red wine everyday, deadlift, and eat nothing but steak like HMG....its unpredictable....
 

luka

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Some of the videos entertainment posted are diagnosing problems cause by modern sedentary lifestyles and prescribing exercise cures, one is about the problems caused by an industrialised food chain and the effect economic pressures have had on diet and food supply and one is about about problems from impotence to sexual relations stemming (the argument goes) from porn saturation and non stop self abuse.

Some of those cures are arguably quack cures but the problems are very real
 

HMGovt

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And that question might lead you to eat brown rice and vegetables, drastically cut down on your drinking and keep a regular appointment with Adrienne like me or it might lead you to drink red wine everyday, deadlift, and eat nothing but steak like HMG....its unpredictable....
Yes. It's worth doing something. My approach is based on millions of years of history and unconfined rationality, yours on commune with the Godhead and mortification of the flesh. Both valid.

Sausage casseroles and radio 4 level popular science, not so much.
 

Mr. Tea

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Yes. It's worth doing something. My approach is based on millions of years of history and unconfined rationality, yours on commune with the Godhead and mortification of the flesh. Both valid.

Sausage casseroles and radio 4 level popular science, not so much.
Horseshoe theory, Dissensus-style!
 

luka

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the other thing to take into account is that what is 'natural' to a domestic or farm animal may not neccessarily be in its own best interests and the task may be to unplug the natural impulses and discover a freedom from the dictates of a preprogrammed 'nature'
this is where you get into the problem of our natures being 'hacked'
 
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