The Seniority of the Rachis

vimothy

yurp
but this complexification is not driven in any particular direction by evolution, it's just chance as to whether it is more complex or not

furthermore, what's observed while society itself becomes more complex is that thought becomes more debased and instrumental, more closely tied to its material conditions, not that it is somehow released or abstracted from them
 

constant escape

winter withered, warm
Maybe I have in mind a different, or just poorly understood, set of terms and developments here. It seems like repression is a sort of engine for material progression - for if we were to remain at the base, we wouldn't pass barbarism, no? Just finding ever more circuitous, and potentially more robust and satisfying, ways of meeting base needs.

Perhaps the means become more and more complex, but certain core ends stay based? Or perhaps its is because our aim constantly re-calibrates to our rising standards - which brings us back to capitalism. The benchmark/baseline is always rising.
 

vimothy

yurp
i dont think theres a contradiction bw the idea that humans become increasingly stupid and the idea that human society becomes increasingly complex
 

constant escape

winter withered, warm
Well it could be that most of what we consider human is extraneous to the core of this development, in which case it could well be left by the wayside to wither into stupidity. But that is an extreme - that is assuming we can't continue to calibrate our collective consciousness to these larger narratives (which has seemingly been the function of avant-garde, paving the meta-narratives with a finger on the pulse, no?).

Your point from our previous talk, that human decision-making is ultimately hugely influential, remains. but does it not seem pregnant with an even sharper form of intelligence, a new phase to pick up where we leave off (which isn;t even necessarily to say that we all die off - we may make onto some kind of dovetail phase whereby our spirit can be "handed" down, skimming the surface of the material, before taking off completely.

Hopefully it takes a less crude form that usb drives, but the point is nonetheless there.
 

constant escape

winter withered, warm
Or here is another discussion point: what ought to be integrated into a new cosmology? What ought to be considered? Any critical spiritual/metaphysical developments in the last century, or the start of this one, that haven't been fully processed or understood?
 

luka

Well-known member
No, not just inanimate. In fact, matter perfecting itself primarily through us, humans
 

luka

Well-known member
It is a vision of ever increasing complexity and organisation to the point of Union and transcendence- dematerialisation
 

catalog

Well-known member
so you could replace matter with humans in this:

A religious vision of matter perfecting itself and becoming spirit
 

constant escape

winter withered, warm
what is this thread about in max 3 words or two lines please
I think "accelerationist dematerialization cosmology" could get us close, but even that is pretty dense.

The trend with matter is that, as it becomes more ordered (that is, rather than forming into atoms and just staying that way, atoms form into molecules/compounds, and then supramolecular structures; primary, secondary, tertiary, quaternary), it seems to exhibit an increased intelligence/spirit or metaphysical counterpart. This metaphysical counterpart becomes increasingly autonomous from the physical, and in the final instance the umbilical cord is severed and the metaphysical will have effectively transcended the physical.
 

luka

Well-known member
They are probably guiding evolution towards its culmination in Union with The Absolute.
 

constant escape

winter withered, warm
It could be a religion, but ideally it could be something that can guide scientific pursuits. Consider how in certain ancient senses, from what I gather, religion and science were not thought of as antagonistic to one another, but harmonious.

The "cosmology" and "accelerationist" aspects would be elaborated by attempting to merge some accelerationist theory with the cosmologies of, say, Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, Nikolai Fyodorov, maybe others.
 
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