Are you an atheist?

luka

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it's just about recognising that Netflix access is not the only measure of value.
 

Mr. Tea

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that doesnt spoil the argument or the joke.
I suppose so. But how far do you take it? It can end up sounding like "brutal societies aren't all bad, because they sometimes achieve amazing things". Which is true - the achievements bit, I mean - but what does it buy us? The marvels of Victorian engineering don't excuse the horrors of colonialism. The USSR put a man in space while terrorising half of Europe. The Americans landed on the moon while committing atrocities in Vietnam. Blah blah blah.
 

luka

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it's more than that in the Welles formulation. it's amazing things are dependent upon brutality.
 

luka

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that the levelling down and the comfort and the urge to protect and cosset are the very things which make the great achievements of a civilization impossible.
 

luka

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As the great philosopher Nietzsche once said "you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs."
 

luka

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There is a weak version of this argument informing dissensus. It's why we assume, with some justification, that the middle classes can't make good records, and the whites make good records only under the most exceptional of circumstances.
 

luka

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That's stated as baldly and crudely as possible and it's possible to quibble with in all sorts of ways but I think it's undeniable that those assumptions and that logic is operative here at some level.
 

luka

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Is the goal of a Civilization to provide Netflix for all or is to to provide the conditions for genius, individual and collective, to flourish? That's the kind of crux of this divide. You could argue that the two are not mutually exclusive but you'd have to provide evidence.
 

luka

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If you were to say, for instance, the pressures of the 21st century have produced a number of immortal diamonds, from Vegetable Empire to Prediction Tablet, you'd have a very strong, nigh on unassailable argument to put to HMG. But it's not my job to argue every side willy nilly.
 

thirdform

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nah im a hardcore jabriya determinist with darkside acid islam characteristics. I reject free will as an actual dynamic and believe it's a self-comforting illusion of humanity. Step aside, Calvinists.

 

thirdform

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MISTER_DIA-TRIBE_73
786 Approved. What on earth did that even mean? I remember (just) someone saying to me one hazy night (in 92) that two Indians or was it Pakistanis made the tunes... And how they were amazed that people of that cultural upbringing could make such music. I was amazed too because then I suddenly realized that this music was going to bring everyone together to dance out the close-mindedness. That was the early 90s and now its 2019... Are we going backwards.. Yes for the music! But lets not have a rerun of the politics, please!? Anyway, 786 was a great label at the time and helped Junglizm/Jungle Techno to become in the making back then!


786 is the numerological representation of in the name of Allah in Islam. So 786 approved means approved by God.. O.G. mind scrambling acidic islamic psychedelia here, big up Nasim Khan and all the crew involved, very ahead of their time musically and socially and still absolutely underrated and underacknowledged, and a huge inspiration for people from Asian and muslim cultural/religious backgrounds like myself. Hopefully our communities will have the opportunity to make such music again soon..absolutely badboy lacerating and scorching stuff - fuck the racist British govt.. stop arresting our kids on nonexistent terrorist charges when you commit war crimes with yer buddy the USA.. bring back jungle techno..peace!
 
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