Election 2020

[Leo]

thing is, you can't prove something out of thin air. conspiracy theories work on twitter but not IRL. courts rule on evidence.

 

[IdleRich]

Very true. And the Rs are finding this out... or do they just not care? I don't get this Sydney Powell woman, apparently a real lawyer, going on telly swearing blind that she mountains of incontrovertible evidence that the voting machines were made by George Soros in China and used to fix Venezuelan elections and that the head of the FBI (probably the whole FBI) is involved in a massive wide-ranging Democrat conspiracy which, when busted, which she is gonna do REALLY REALLY SOON honest, is gonna reveal that Trump won the election by millions of votes and send whole upper echelons of the Democrat party to jail. I mean it's fucking loony tunes crazy and it's firing up the weirder edges of the base no doubt - but what's gonna happen when she doesn't produce this evidence? What's the plan here apart from making people excited for a few days... and then very disappointed?

 

[IdleRich]

Beginning to think some of these court cases are slightly spurious... or possibly I've been fooled by all these deep state judges.

BREAKING: Plaintiffs DISMISS Wisconsin lawsuit claiming election officials included illegal results in certain counties and seeking to to stop the certification of election results from these counties.
Trump and allies are now 1-24 in court.

They're just about* to release the kraken though which will ultimately result in the one mega-court case to rule them all and in the darkness bind them... I imagine.

*possibly stretching the meaning of that phrase beyond its usual usage though

 

[DannyL]

What's the one out of the 24 that they've won?

 

[Mr. Tea]

What's the one out of the 24 that they've won?

I'm guessing it was to force the recount in Georgia (which is giving essentially the same result, of course). Unless that was triggered automatically by the small margin?

 

[IdleRich]

No it was to do with moving their observers a little bit closer in, maybe, Michigan I think. A very minor victory that made no real difference to anyone or anything.

 

[Mr. Tea]

Being "about to release the kraken" sounds like an entry in the Viz Profanisaurus for the sensation of urgently needing the toilet first thig in the morning following a lamb madras and six Stellas for dinner the night before.

 

[Leo]

I'm guessing it was to force the recount in Georgia (which is giving essentially the same result, of course). Unless that was triggered automatically by the small margin?

the GA recount isn't lawsuit related. I think the sec. of state said they'd do it just to shut everyone up. apparently they found one instance where 2,600 votes from a county hadn't been uploaded, but it was an oversight, Biden probably got at least half of them anyway, and has no impact on his 14k vote lead.

No it was to do with moving their observers a little bit closer in, maybe, Michigan I think. A very minor victory that made no real difference to anyone or anything.

yeah, GOP sued to move observers from 10 feet to six feet. whatever.

 

[Leo]

Very true. And the Rs are finding this out... or do they just not care? I don't get this Sydney Powell woman, apparently a real lawyer, going on telly swearing blind that she mountains of incontrovertible evidence that the voting machines were made by George Soros in China and used to fix Venezuelan elections and that the head of the FBI (probably the whole FBI) is involved in a massive wide-ranging Democrat conspiracy which, when busted, which she is gonna do REALLY REALLY SOON honest, is gonna reveal that Trump won the election by millions of votes and send whole upper echelons of the Democrat party to jail. I mean it's fucking loony tunes crazy and it's firing up the weirder edges of the base no doubt - but what's gonna happen when she doesn't produce this evidence? What's the plan here apart from making people excited for a few days... and then very disappointed?

trump just loves causing chaos and doubt (straight out of the Russian disinformation handbook, btw), and has somehow conned many into following in his footsteps and doing his dirty work. it's still kind of stunning how some seemingly normal conservatives have debased themselves.

 

[IdleRich]

the GA recount isn't lawsuit related. I think the sec. of state said they'd do it just to shut everyone up. apparently they found one instance where 2,600 votes from a county hadn't been uploaded, but it was an oversight, Biden probably got at least half of them anyway, and has no impact on his 14k vote lead.
yeah, GOP sued to move observers from 10 feet to six feet. whatever.

Although I've heard conflicting reports. I've also read they won a lawsuit in Pennsylvania. Basically there are loads of different categories of votes - some were in person, some were sent in by mail and received by election day, some were sent by election day but received up to three days later.
This latter category was slightly controversial in that a few weeks before the election the state said they would accept mail in ballots received a couple of days late as long as they were postmarked before election day. The GOP challenged it and lost but they still have a dream of challenging this in the supreme court I think. So I read that they won a case from the judge that they should be kept separate and counted separately, the idea being that IF they are struck off at a later date then it would be possible to identify which votes they were... but they are so few it won't really make any difference.
Also, it would be a moral outrage if they were struck off - regardless of whether the rule the state introduced was right or not, it was understood to be the rule at the time, so it would be totally wrong to strike out the votes of people - of whom there is no suggestion that they are not registered or not legally entitled to vote - who voted correctly in accordance with the rules at the time.
I get that changing the rules just BEFORE an election is debatable, potentially dubious etc (especially if it makes it harder to vote) but changing the rules AFTER people have voted is totally beyond the pale.

 

[IdleRich]

And there goes another one....

Pennsylvania supreme court dealst Trump campaign another defeat.
Philadelphia election officials did not improperly block Donald Trump’s campaign from observing the counting of mail-in ballots, the Pennsylvania supreme court ruled 5-2 on Tuesday, a major blow to the president’s already flailing legal efforts.
The decision is significant because one of the Trump campaign’s loudest claims since the election has been that they were improperly blocked from observing the counting of ballots in Philadelphia.
While campaign observers were always allowed to observe, the campaign alleged they were being kept too far from the counting - about 15-18 feet - to make any meaningful observation. It secured a court order in the days after election day requiring Philadelphia officials to let observers within 6 feet.
But the Pennsylvania supreme court reversed that decision on Tuesday, noting that Pennsylvania law gives Philadelphia election officials wide discretion to decide the rules around observers.
“The Board did not act contrary to law in fashioning its regulations governing the positioning of candidate representatives during the pre-canvassing and canvassing process, as the Election Code does not specify minimum distance parameters for the location of such representatives,” Justice Barbara Todd, a Democrat, wrote for the five justice majority.
“We find the Board’s regulations as applied herein were reasonable in that they allowed candidate representatives to observe the Board conducting its activities as prescribed under the Election Code.”

 

[IdleRich]

This bit is actually relevant to what I said this morning (above)

Even the two Republican justices who dissented from the majority opinion disagreed with the idea, advanced by the Trump campaign, that legitimate votes should be rejected because of improper observation practices.
“Short of demonstrated fraud, the notion that presumptively valid ballots cast by the Pennsylvania electorate would be disregarded based on isolated procedural irregularities that have been redressed -- thus disenfranchising potentially thousands of voters -- is misguided,” Chief Justice Thomas Saylor wrote in his dissenting opinion.

Even if there is some kind of procedural or technical problem with some aspect of the election, it surely can't be that the remedy is to throw out votes that were made in good faith and according to the law (at the time they voted) by legally registered voters.
Even if Pennsylvania did overstep its rights when it allowed votes to be counted as long as they were postmarked before the election date, it can't be that people who voted according to the law should be punished and have their voice taken away as some kind of corrective for the state legislature going beyond its powers.

 

[craner]

Sidney Powell's on the case!

 

[craner]

There's some wild stuff going round in MAGA/Q land. One talking point is that the Dominion voting machines have Cuban and Chinese connections. VERY SUSPICIOUS.

 

[IdleRich]

Also Soros was absolutely definitely involved with them.
Demoncrats are so fucking dumb though - what happened in 2016? Obviously they forgot to press the "switch Trump votes to Demonrat" button and so they lost the election, but this time round, after four years of extensive training on precisely that, there was no mistake.

 

[Leo]

There's some wild stuff going round in MAGA/Q land. One talking point is that the Dominion voting machines have Cuban and Chinese connections. VERY SUSPICIOUS.

Also a nefarious Venezuela connection, right?

 

[version]

There's a rumour going round that Soros owns Parler. There's another rumour going round that the Mercers own, or at least fund, Parler.

 

[Mr. Tea]

There's some wild stuff going round in MAGA/Q land. One talking point is that the Dominion voting machines have Cuban and Chinese connections. VERY SUSPICIOUS.

Dang, when will these perfidious Cubans quid meddling with America?!

 

[IdleRich]

Also a nefarious Venezuela connection, right?

I think it was created to rig Venezuelan elections... that was basically like a trial run I suppose.

 

[IdleRich]

This doesn't sound good

The four-member board of canvassers in Wayne County, which includes Detroit, deadlocked along partisan lines on Tuesday over certifying the election results. Joe Biden carried the county by nearly 323,000 votes. The decision essentially leaves certification up to the Michigan state board of canvassers, according to the Washington Post. The board is split along partisan lines and must approve election results with at least a 3-1 vote, according to Bridge Michigan.
There’s some concern that if the board doesn’t act to certify the results, the Michigan state legislature could step in and appoint its own electors. Michigan Republican leaders in the state legislature have downplayed those concerns.
A Republican member of the board of canvassers said on Tuesday she would be willing to certify results in parts of the county other than Detroit, which many saw to be an overtly partisan and racist move. Detroit is more than 78% Black.