luka

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and we do know how much 'terrorist activity' was essentially made up wholesale by the FBI
 

Leo

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another point to contemplate: a small but not insignificant number of police and US military personnel happen to be pretty racist, some even members of white supremists organizations. who's to say the same isn't true of the FBI?

and is it the chicken or the egg?: do some racist people become cops, or do police forces recruit racists?
 

Leo

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The FBI designated them an extremist group with ties to white nationalism for about three months then suddenly claimed it was a mistake a week before an FBI informant became chairman of the organisation...

this is misleading, other articles on the same incident explain the Clark County sheriff's office took a line of the FBI presentation out of context. The FBI clarified that they designate individuals as extremists, not national organizations. The FBI didn't reverse their position on the PBs, they never had that position in the first place.

https://apnews.com/article/8da08e95666437c117e08c39b8295054
 

IdleRich

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another point to contemplate: a small but not insignificant number of police and US military personnel happen to be pretty racist, some even members of white supremists organizations. who's to say the same isn't true of the FBI?

and is it the chicken or the egg?: do some racist people become cops, or do police forces recruit racists?
There's definitely a perceived symbiosis... you only had to hear the protesters' shock at being shot at "they're supposed to shoot black people, not us".
 

luka

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Come on. You think these people just stop working for them one day and don't remain in the loop? It even says in the article he still holds a security clearance.
I think Leo must have been winding us up on that occassion.
 

IdleRich

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Come on. You think these people just stop working for them one day and don't remain in the loop? It even says in the article he still holds a security clearance.
I doubt he can just phone up and say "What you working on?" - maybe via a mate, not officially though.
 

luka

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I doubt he can just phone up and say "What you working on?" - maybe via a mate, not officially though.
i dont think that was what version was suggesting in this case. probably positing a situation where once youre in your in for life
and off-the-books doesnt necessarily mean off the payroll in the way that people assume John Brennan is still speaking in a formal capacity of some kind.
 

IdleRich

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Yeah, I expect the security clearance works like that. But as long as you have friends there you will have an informal connect too.
 

luka

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He was not the only one in the vast, well-heeled infrastructure that funds the Democratic Party and progressive movement to be thinking ahead. But as is Brock’s habit, his ambitions tended to be more sweeping. For years, he has employed eight researchers whose only job was to dig up dirt and impugn the motives of Charles and David Koch, the billionaire industrialists who have endeavored to remake much of the conservative movement. Now Brock decided, once again, that he wanted to be more like those he had railed against. “Donald Trump famously threw out the political rulebook,” he wrote, in the prepared remarks for his donors. “If we are to succeed in this period, we Democrats must suspend the normal rules of politics as well.”
 

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To make a statement, he decided to time the kickoff of this Koch-like project on the day Donald Trump was inaugurated on the steps of the capitol. Brock called together about 120 wealthy liberals at a posh hotel outside Miami for a counterevent—two days of closed-door meetings to plot strategy and raise money. The barrier to entry for donors was the ability to give $100,000, and about 20% of the group were new donors, Brock says.

The slate included a combination of new and old faces to progressive activism: Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel, Silicon Valley titans Mark Pincus of Zynga and Reid Hoffman of LinkedIn, along with several candidates to lead the Democratic Party and employees of Brock-controlled groups like Media Matters. “This is to fund us, plus there are half a dozen things that have to get done that we are not doing,” Brock says.
 
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