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He did grow up in a conservative culture albeit the respectable English Tory doesn't nessarily have much in common with a Bible Belt republican.
Tea look at us we are somewhat the same,, my disdain of the liberals I came of age around.... and yrs of right-wingers.., let us come together and reject the ideologies that separate us,.. & embrace a meta level in which we are kin
 

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This is very true.

But still, I wonder—when tracking political news makes people so unhappy, when it breaks their bonds with countrymen—why do we do ir? What do we get out of it, at the cost of mental health? There's something there. People do not act in costly ways without reason.
How many articles have we seen now, that say something like "My partner/mom/dad/brother/sister/best friend has been radicalized/got sucked into a political cult, and we can't go on together like this"? We've all got things we tacitly agree to disagree about with at least one person we know, don't we, because we know we're never going to win the other person over and it's a waste of time and energy to argue about it - I'm thinking of my dad and Brexit, for example - but beyond a certain level of craziness these things can't actually be ignored any longer, because you're starting to see someone you care about jeopardising their own health, or risking their job, or harming their relationship with their kids, or whatever it might be. Once a threshold has been crossed then it's no longer just a difference of opinion about some abstract thing that doesn't directly affect anyone.

BTW, I don't at all agree that a cult can only be a cult if it has an identifiable leader. But even if that were the case, then QAnon's "leader", or at least figurehead, is obviously "Q", in other words Jim and/or Ron Watkins (probably).
 

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Just to be clear tho, from the edited Wiki:

It is still the case that anti-semitism is about equally "canon" or "foundational" to QAnon as it is to BLM.
Yes, I saw that. Until it was edited it was followed by a line saying that QAnon-related tweets also included examples of anti-semitic tropes about Israel, the Rothschildes, Soros etc.
 

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my disdain of the liberals I came of age around

I'm sure those are real people who you've encountered, but they represent a small sliver of liberal America, mostly loudmouths on social media, in academia and at some media outlets. I think of people like my mom, sister and brother, cousins.etc. who are lifelong Democrats and believe in a liberal agenda but, for example, oppose stuff like nutty progressive cancel culture and abolish the police. they are moderate Democrats, and their are many many millions more of them than the goobers who annoy you. it's a mistake to judge liberals en masse based on the behaviors of a small but loud goober minority.
 

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I think it's a sort of similar thing here with corbyn and what a lot of social media generation missed. People like my mum, uncles, aunties, who had this visceral distrust almost disgust of corbyn based on how he looked and carried himself and how it felt like a disrespectful showing.
 
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I'm sure those are real people who you've encountered, but they represent a small sliver of liberal America, mostly loudmouths on social media, in academia and at some media outlets. I think of people like my mom, sister and brother, cousins.etc. who are lifelong Democrats and believe in a liberal agenda but, for example, oppose stuff like nutty progressive cancel culture and abolish the police. they are moderate Democrats, and their are many many millions more of them than the goobers who annoy you. it's a mistake to judge liberals en masse based on the behaviors of a small but loud goober minority.
Oh I agree, but look at my thread history—I'm arguing your exact point but for Republicans. Which is how this convo started—Tea's bringing up the QAnon thing as evidence for his earlier argument that Republicans in huge swathes are these redneck racists (in contrast, ostensibly, to perfectly non-racist Dems...).
 

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I do unfortunately think that even moderate, older Dems got pulled into Trump hysteria and I see them far more political, far more willing to see the other side as awful people, enemies instead of neighbors and countrymen and relatives, as a result. OTOH, many younger Dems have been radicalized into being apolitical (like myself) or reactionary/trad.
 
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Mr. Tea

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Oh I agree, but look at my thread history—I'm arguing your exact point but for Republicans. Which is how this convo started—Tea's bringing up the QAnon thing as evidence for his earlier argument that Republicans in huge swathes are these redneck racists (in contrast, ostensibly, to perfectly non-racist Dems...).
Where did I ever use the word "redneck" or say that no Democrats were racist? In fact I explicitly recognised that some Dem voters were racist too.

You're not doing your position any favours with these crappy strawman arguments, and I find your claim to be 'apolitical' frankly bizarre.
 
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I find your claim to be 'apolitical' frankly bizarre.
Of course you find it bizarre, that's the core issue in our misunderstanding. You view everything I say through a political paradigm, and keep insisting I'm siding with or pro-Trump. When all my posts are criticizing the political paradigm and perspective-taking themselves.
 

Mr. Tea

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Of course you find it bizarre, that's the core issue in our misunderstanding. You view everything I say through a political paradigm, and keep insisting I'm siding with or pro-Trump. When all my posts are criticizing the political paradigm and perspective-taking themselves.
You said earlier that you don't consume any liberal media whatsoever. So you're presumably only consuming conservative, or at least right-wing, media. That doesn't sound apolitical to me.
 

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You said earlier that you don't consume any liberal media whatsoever. So you're presumably only consuming conservative, or at least right-wing, media. That doesn't sound apolitical to me.
1 page ago in this very thread:
I don't consume political news dude. Because politics is for perverts and masochists with an impotence fetish. You already know who you're voting for, you don't even live in this country—what is US political news except perversion? What's it achieve? What important actions change in your life?
In terms of "contemporary media" I get surfaced things from friends on this board, some Discord servers, and Twitter. This board is by far the most political online community I'm part of. If it's important and affects my life, I'll hear about it—I knew about COVID in late January 202, as did this board, so I'm obviously not missing out on anything by ignoring lamestream journalists. Everything else they produce is just garbage two weeks late and mis-interpreted. Why would I sign up for that? If I listened to what "the media" thought I'd have called my mask-wearing friends racists at the start of the pandemic.
 

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Watching the news has quite literally never benefited me spiritually or materially once that I can think of, so I stopped in college. Whereas people who instead paid attention to social networks of smart, plugged-in bloggers/chatrooms/forums this last decade have made a killing on crypto, caught COVID early, and are generally weeks, months, or even years ahead of the MSM curve. Why would I care what Anderson Cooper thinks about anything? It's hard to believe but there are people even on this very board less clueless than that career climber.
 

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Look, I'm not in favor of disbanding professional journalism, and the world would almost certainly be a worse place if professional journalism ceased to exist. There's plenty of important work they're doing.

But on the margin, being me or you, trying to figure out what's true and important in this world? Well, there's a reason Gell Mann amnesia is a thing. Choose clued-in people close to the subject area, or even 1-2 degrees via a social network, and they'll produce more reliable insight/advice than "official" channels, time & time out.
 

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i found it interesting what you said about our needing to ritually slaughter Mr Tea 'like a fattened calf' earlier
 
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