Can you change your mind? (the Musical)

luka

luka

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version said:
Maybe Corpsey's Law needs to be tweaked from Autechre to wanking.
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Still think this is an idea worth pursuing

luka said:
I had this concept for a thread called Jack's Wank of the Day.
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luka said:
You'd just touch base with us every day to talk us through one of the wanks you'd had. How long it took, how satisfying the climax, what visual stimulus you relied on, what technique you used. That kind of stuff.
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luka

luka

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You and Corpsey made that thread. I loved those meal updates. Every day Jack had a Tesco meal day. No hot food. No home cooking.
 
john eden

john eden

male pale and stale
Always hated jazz until I was about 40. Went through a big anti-guitar phase when electronic stuff was exciting.

Loved Death In June and all that and then heard some other stuff that was better and not fashy.

Loved late 90s drum n bass and then got bored by it and then got back into it again.
 
version

version

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I enjoyed finding Craner and Luka's top ten books from years ago and instantly knowing Luka's would be exactly the same whilst Craner's would be completely different.
 
Corpsey

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
I think that when you're totally uncompromising about your taste you probably feel more strongly about what you like and don't like. But I'm unsure as to which is the horse and which the cart. Cos the time you most feel like that is when you're a teenager, so you're feeling things more strongly anyway.

But you know what I mean right? When I was a drum n bass/jungle fundamentalist and hated techno and house on (some sort of principle) it made me like dnb/jungle a lot more. Cos at that time I believed it was "THE TRUTH".
 
john eden

john eden

male pale and stale
Corpsey said:
I think that when you're totally uncompromising about your taste you probably feel more strongly about what you like and don't like. But I'm unsure as to which is the horse and which the cart. Cos the time you most feel like that is when you're a teenager, so you're feeling things more strongly anyway.

But you know what I mean right? When I was a drum n bass/jungle fundamentalist and hated techno and house on (some sort of principle) it made me like dnb/jungle a lot more. Cos at that time I believed it was "THE TRUTH".
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absolutely. That intensity is amazing but at the same time you end up liking stuff that isn’t objectively very good because it’s part of an identity you have.

So it is a great thing to experience and also grow out of.
 
Corpsey

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
I wonder about that, though. When i was obsessed with rap music I thought certain songs were really great which when I listen to now sound a bit average. Other songs have retained their magic.

So is it that I was just intoxicated and infatuated and the songs really aren't all that good, or that I'm now unable to appreciate their quality cos my taste has drifted elsewhere?
 
john eden

john eden

male pale and stale
I think context can be key. But I wouldn’t say people were deluded in that phase - the enjoyment is genuine. But sometimes time and age just gives you a more refined perspective maybe? That sounds a bit snobby perhaps.
 
john eden

john eden

male pale and stale
Like I’m not a film buff and will watch any old shite and enjoy it. But I like talking about film with people who know all about that.
 
version

version

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Crowley's comment about not actually liking the things you 'like' made an impression on me. You can definitely incorporate things into who you think you are, what your tastes are, then actually go back to them years later and realise you don't really like them at all.
CrowleyHead said:
At the same time though, with me personally, and this is a result of overindulging with mp3s and downloading... I don't remember if I like everything I 'like'. This is actually a result of an old external with almost a terabyte of music on it getting damaged and needing the files to be extracted, but since I haven't redownloaded a lot of that stuff, I can't TELL YOU without actively regrabbing all of those things, which I can't will myself to do all the time. I just tried it with Bowie a month ago, and I was listening to "The Man Who Sold The World", and album I thought I loved, and it was tedious. Granted, that was an album I loved 5 years ago when I had a lot more patience for guitar music, but it makes me call into question that, maybe in my overzealousness to find new things, I tricked myself into thinking I liked what I liked.
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martin

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version said:
Crowley's comment about not actually liking the things you 'like' made an impression on me. You can definitely incorporate things into who you think you are, what your tastes are, then actually go back to them years later and realise you don't really like them at all.
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I've had that with experimental/avant garde records. Like I'd read someone gushing over Robert Ashley's 'Wolfman' and how it was basically him inventing power electronics in the early '60s...so I'd get it, and really like the idea of it, but actually find it boring and never want to play it ('Automatic Writing' is good though).

Also, I like Japan (the country) and I like punk, so I always felt I should like Japanese punk - duh? But with a tiny number of exceptions, I don't. Had a load of that stuff on my HD for years, barely listened to, until I wiped it all off in early lockdown.

But I was never massively into either from the start, SO... my biggest love-to-contempt U-turn may be Nurse With Wound. I thought NWW was amazing pre-internet...but discovering Steve Stapleton swiped his most interesting/weird sounds wholesale off other people's records killed the magic. Those 'Legendary NWW List' MP3 blogs gave the game away (one of my former fave NWW tunes was entirely some '70s group, with a bit of feedback added over the top!)

My view of NWW now is you're basically paying a lot of money for a limited 12" x 12" Stapleton print, and you get a bonus mixtape on vinyl - which is most likely just something he released 15 years ago, slightly remixed. Fair enough if you're into art collecting, but I can't be arsed.
 
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thirdform

pass the sick bucket
Corpsey said:
Dissensus ruined a lot of music for me, primarily dubstep and the more 'intelligent' varieties of jungle.

I can never remember now if I read Energy Flash before or after I came on here. Together, that book and this forum snuck up on the flanks of my innocent devotions and razorfucked them to death.
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Yes but you backed down. conflict avoidant. so you never liked them enough in the first place. Luke and barty kept mocking piledriver gabba and i love it when they did that, gave me more ammo, i saw it as a challenge. which to be fair did create some tensions on the forum.
 
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thirdform

pass the sick bucket
john eden said:
Partly this is all about undoing the hardened positions stern young men take up about music. Both of these aspects are hugely pleasurable.
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You say this but i still haven't been able to get into prog house, for all its supposed tribalism techno does that better for my anatolian ears.
 
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