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catalog

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"Which brings us up, immediately, bang, against tenses, in fact against syntax, in fact against grammar generally, that is, as we have inherited it. "

yeah web speak is shattering this as we speak
 

catalog

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ok i think i get the syllable thing now, its not exclusively is/not/be. i thikn apart from anything, the syllable alone breaks things up, sllows for a pause. repition does the same, conjunctions like and also
 

catalog

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typewriter thing is interesting - the typewrite sort of afforded that staccato rhythm of so much 50s work... the softness of the keyboard ove rthe last 30-50 years, what has that done to our writing?

more than anything it's delete and undo i think. no chance on a typewriter, imagine getting to the bottom of a page and writing the wrong thing - would you leav eit in??
 

catalog

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i'd like someone to write a manifesto like this comparing two great artists/writers/musicians of now, cos i sadly know fuck all about cummings, williams etc. i mean i know cummings did the lowercase and funny line breaks but thats it. its nice all the historical examples, but i'd love eg someone to do say dean blunt vs young thug and take it apart this way.
 

catalog

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ive put this on now to help me through part 2
and my first thought is: this isn't going to work at all, but my 2nd though is: of course it will. jamaican music is properly taking apart the language. it's projective verse no shadow of a doubt.
 

catalog

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"It comes to this: the use of a man, by himself and thus by others, lies in how he conceives his relation to nature, that force to which he owes his somewhat small existence. "

yeah no shit sherlock but well put
 

catalog

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and he goes on to say as above so below, or look inside to reach outisde. yep got it, i know where im going.
 

catalog

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"But breath is man’s special qualification as animal. Sound is a dimension he has extended. Language is one of his proudest acts. And when a poet rests in these as they are in himself (in his physiology, if you like, but the life in him, for all that) then he, if he chooses to speak from these roots, works in that area where nature has given him size, projective size."

not just man, birds most obviously, but all other animals.

and trees lets not forget.

i wrote this in my notebook yesterday, while walking across the dark fields in the fog:

"the trees hear the rain first"
 

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first man to use the term postmodern
I was under the impression it was some architect in perhaps the '20s, but according to Wikipedia the actual first instance was a bloke called John Watkins Chapman discussing painting in 1870.
 

linebaugh

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"A poem is energy transferred from where the poet got it (he will have some several causations), by way of the poem itself to, all the way over to, the reader."

I like this sentence cos you could take poem/poet/reader out and swap them round eg film/filmmaker/viewer and have some fun with it.

but it's also good to do a basic restatement of whats going on.
I get the sense that poets are never writing about exclusively poetry
 

catalog

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i'm going out on a limb here but i would say autechre are exponents of projective verse in terms of their track titles
 

luka

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i'm confused tho - is the syllable what we commonly take to be a syllable ie a sound not necessarily a word, or does the syllable have to be is/not/be?

The syllable is a sound, because a beat. A percussive instant.
 

luka

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yes that's true - poets consider themselves the ur-unit for all artists, is my impression.

They are. Poetry is the prime discourse. Everything else follows in its its wake, even music. Poets create reality.
 

luka

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what do you take of the his insistence that the 'head shows in the syllable' ?

He's not the clearest, although this is him at his most pellucid. It gets far worse as he gets older. I'll re-read it. It's been a while.

Well done catalog for reading. I've always found it one of the few very exciting things to read. Directly energising. A sense of being freed by it and given permission to write.
 
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