Idle Rich Turns `The Wheel of Time.'

woops

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you lose a huge amount by trying to create from scratch as well. you lose all those rich associations which connect your story with all the other stories.
how do you square this with surrealist practice especially in visual arts? they were trying to conjure something imaginary which still had strong ties to "rich associations" of one kind or another
 

luka

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dont totally understand the question. could you answer it for me so i have a better sense of what you're driving at?
 

luka

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i think the two major liberal platiutudes sufi is guilty of is 1)thinking exoticism is anything but brilliant and
2)having a mistaken idea of what originality consists of and the value of originality
 

woops

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the artwork is a good example of an artist making something that doesn't relate to much that actually exists outside of his own private symbolism of dreams, sex and all those surrealist favourites
 

woops

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if you don't hanker for the exotic you lead a pretty circumscribed life, but possibly a simpler one
 

luka

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the anti-exoticism position is Morrisey's I don't listen to reggae cos it has nothing to do with my life
 

IdleRich

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the anti-exoticism position is Morrisey's I don't listen to reggae cos it has nothing to do with my life
I think that was a lie though cos he always has like obscure reggae sevens in his lists of favourites. Or did I imagine that?
 

IdleRich

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But WofT is greatly influenced by... Hindu philosophy I think? The idea of the wheel turning again and again "the pattern weaves as it will" and so on.
 

luka

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But WofT is greatly influenced by... Hindu philosophy I think? The idea of the wheel turning again and again "the pattern weaves as it will" and so on.
in reference to me saying India is underrepresented or underimagined or underexploited as an imaginative resource in the fantasy genre?
 

luka

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i just mean radio 4 listeners as a set of platitiudes really. a dogmatic value set. left liberalism. we all adhere to it here, broadly speaking.
 

sufi

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I think what i'm getting at is that the borrowing is all rather superficial - a few names in weird syllables,maybe some odd customs or outfits,
by the late 20thC these writers had access to deeper understanding if they could be arsed (assuming they never bothered to travel)
 

luka

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yeah... i think probably someone like Le Guin would be using this stuff in a more 'responsible' way
 
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