'Postmodernism' as Existential Threat.

luka

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that was quite bracing. i've never adopted that position but i should do. i should run every story through that filter really.
 

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I mean, unless there is a cabal/board of superintelligent yogis that are able to orchestrate energy flows through every conceivable human discipline and sphere

this is where the more intelligent of the 'synchromystic' crowd (eg grapejuice) ended up. not so much yogis but, an intelligent minded process at the supra-human level. the others fell into nazism and extreme paranoia.
 

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I would be led to believe that within the set of all valid opinions on a given topic, having defined valid as above, there must be some attractor that the distribution orbits around, some optimal state that only gets approached, never reached.
this is why you are a religious thinker
 

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which is good. we need more of those on dissensus. when we all snychronise our vibrations with the Big-Attractor Jerusalem will be builded here on earth. That is one of the few possible exits from the current deadlock.
 
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Part of this involves disconnecting from the indoctrination beam of mass-media. the technique my cousin taught me and that version is a master of is part of that process.
 

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we peel away from that satanic attractor with its encoded and artificial divisions and categorisations and we are then able to reconvene at the higher divine attractor site universal harmonics.
 

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"dissipation becomes a source of order"

trauma breakdown conditioning
reassembled at higher attractor site
matter in the making
unbound and rewound by coiling time
WHAT ARE THE INSTRUCTORS.
self-amplifying self-structure
runaway feedback " "

the sky something bigger than you are the stars are a
long way away below the sky everything happens forms
unfold people
fall
into the sea.

we don't see the air

but it's there!
 

luka

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MEAT-CHAIN MEAT-SURPLUS MEAT-REDUCTION MEAT-CULL

EXPLODE THE SENTENCE

gaming cortex/controller interface lock
fantasy-adventure roleplay
gaming cortex/controller interface lock
fantasy-adventure roleplay induced panic response
elide signal to full-mesh achieved. Aural hallucination
A command emoji enter return captured sequence
hello bot backdoor access result activate player 2.

population reboot reduce carrying capacity relaunch
site train operative automatic fire zone automated
kill sequence target lock strike achievement
unlocked sniper kill tally excellent.

containment quadrant elimination radius in
quarantine zone strafe airborne containment pact
panic cable plague vector. cancelled livestock
deposit migratory event-index.

excitement enters along the adrenal gland quadrant
pulses in white-blue flashes nectar card slot tape
tape niche ergonomic sachet.
steep poultice pedigree basalt pyramid wind edge
crossing diagonal to lead face derive triangulate
base to fix vulture corridor
data structures breed terminal futures hack ice
glacial tack windward mountain pass attempt
peak performance features television gag order
severed from infection site serial camp entry.

people cargo goods vehicle panic crate
transaction trauma compound a-road delivery vector
service supply chain work sector transport logistics
logistics truck. stop.

labour pool transfusion cheap bodies.


industrial deformation chemical imbalance toxin
leak attention fractured eye cloudy crude control
programme recognised movement jerky and spasmodic
twitch trait
improper mesh protocol
amateurs
blackmarket control implant

drug gentle sedate client ambien soothing sounds of
synthetic nature
activate hypnotic trigger

WE ARE THE CONTROLLERS / WELCOME BACK

green hills and the lambs bleating
the rustic arabesques of pan-pipes
courting the lusty wind

Daddy?...

impersonal machine operative enters.

time jumbled the archeological record Celt quoit
mother bracelet gold gleam in the gloaming
snake bound with snake
the constant coilings
matter in the making meaning in the intersections
beaded light
blue and pink turning
"they generally operate far from equilibrium"

self circuit

"dissipation becomes a source of order"

trauma breakdown conditioning
reassembled at higher attractor site
matter in the making
unbound and rewound by coiling time
WHAT ARE THE INSTRUCTORS.
self-amplifying self-structure
runaway feedback " "

the sky something bigger than you are the stars are a
long way away below the sky everything happens forms
unfold people
fall
into the sea.

we don't see the air

but it's there!
 

luka

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thats the final section of prediction tablet (2018). a paranoid would say i knew what was in the pipeline and im a member of the illuminati. a boring person would say its just coincidence and extrapoloation from contemporary trends.
 

constant escape

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Yeah hidden groups with immense power is one thing, Eurogroup being an example. Not that they are hidden, per se, just not well known and not often mentioned, from what I gather.

(edit: or the "Eurogroup Working Group")

But hidden groups with immense power and the cosmic intelligence to see it through? I don't believe so.

(edit edit: But ultimately The Course of Action would need to account for both possibilities)
 
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version

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But personally thats a dangerous thing for me to just believe, which is why I'm tip-toeing around it.

Part of the reason I choose to insist that all opinions are valid. In the interest of preventing an elitism from taking hold, assuming it hasn't already. Aiming for 100% subsumption of all possible opinions/beliefs.
Is it more dangerous than treating every opinion as valid? You'd be enabling elitism anyway as you'd have to validate elitist positions.

I'm also talking stuff like Trump saying or tweeting something then him and his supporters claiming it's fake news. I don't think it's valid to claim he didn't say it when there's direct evidence he did.
 

constant escape

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Is it more dangerous than treating every opinion as valid? You'd be enabling elitism anyway as you'd have to validate elitist positions.

I'm also talking stuff like Trump saying or tweeting something then him and his supporters claiming it's fake news. I don't think it's valid to claim he didn't say it when there's direct evidence he did.
I'm just increasingly wary of taking positions while under some pretense of universality.

Maybe its something like: all approaches to a given problem are valid, but some will prove more effective than others, by consensus/near-consensus.

But then again, if someone's opinion continues to be grounded on a narrow/parochial foundation, that tends to bar them from appreciating/understanding the effectiveness of an opinion that runs against theirs.

But I haven't worked out just how the closest-to-optimal of a given set of interpretations will reveal itself across the board, rather than just being partisan itself. Damned tricky, if I may say so.

But your point on Trump et co, the wish-washiness of it all, reconfiguring truth on a minute-by-minute basis (edit: in a blatantly self-serving fashion), I guess it depends on whether or not they actually believe in their protean opinions. I think I would ultimately argue that its in bad faith, that its less about believing in much of this stuff than it is about flipping off the libs.

I think its pathetic, in the etymological sense, of pathos overriding judgement, rather than their expressed judgement clearly representing what they believe. The common sense of pathetic, meaning pitiful or lame, can also be said to apply here, no? But that goes a bit farther into partisan waters.

Ultimately, I believe the closest-to-optimal opinion, or rather the net schizo meta-opinion, does look more like ours than it does theirs. But that doesn't necessarily mean ours is more valid than theirs. The net schizo meta-opinion needs all of its constituent sub-opinions, the regular opinions, in order to arrive at its value. This includes the outliers, however "deplorable".

Instead of some opinions being more valid than others, some opinions happen to rest more closely to the net schizo meta-opinion. Beyond mere happenstance, I do think it is possible to willfully and dialectically steer a regular opinion not just to become a lower-order analog of the net schizo meta-opinion, but to actually raise itself to the higher order. I could be wrong there, but thats what it seems like.

That said, its damned near impossible to express the net schizo meta-opinion without reducing it to its lower order analog. That is, its tough to express the average of all opinions without sounding like you're just voicing another opinion.

edit edit: that is, it would be like expressing a tesseract, or some other higher-dimensional object, in three dimensions. It will just look like another three-dimensional shape to those who aren't privy. But not only that - you run the risk, yourself, of succumbing to your own ideological conditioning. That is part of the reason I'm so tentative about everything, about trying to treat every opinion with respect - again, however "deplorable" or hateful.
 
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constant escape

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@version To your point about enabling elitist opinions by treating them as valid:

To be sure, by valid I don't mean exempt from criticism, I just mean exempt from being dismissed entirely. They had to have arrived at their opinion somehow, however diligently, under whatever circumstances, informed by whatever lopsided influences - but all opinions stem from the same general software, and their developments are executed in the same world, a world that is seemingly becoming increasingly homogenous.
 

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that was quite bracing. i've never adopted that position but i should do. i should run every story through that filter really.
It's exhausting and can extend into every aspect of your life. That's one of the ways you end up with these conspiracy theorists who think everyone's out to get them, imo. They take apart conversations and relationships and whatnot the way they do news stories.
 
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