thirdform

pass the sick bucket
only the latter

I'm, again, not claiming the absolute absence of a universal morality, just as is no one here is claiming its existence, just that it's unknowable by finite beings whether or not it exists, or if it does, what it is

also, anyone can espouse a supposedly universal morality but they don't work in practice

Kant himself was perfectly fine with colonialism and slavery

by our 21st C standards that's particularly egregious, but there will always be hard points of disagreement and as soon as there's any imperfect resolution there's no universal morality because you and I now disagree about what is moral - what the universal law should be - as regards whatever the issue is

I'm not going to pretend like I can match you (or half the people here, really) in a history of philosophy tangle, but I assume various objections have been raised to the categorical imperative on various grounds

the best I think a person can do is acknowledge that your worldview can't be separated from the context (historical, cultural, evolutionary, etc) that formed it, having acknowledged that use your own best judgement, and live with the resulting doubt

Sure but in the instance of colonialism and slavery, it's egregious to us, and of course we are right to be outraged. Certain old red tories might still see it as a necessary (civilising) evil. The problem with morality is it is a war in a very real sense, hence cannot be universal in any other sense than ontological. There is absolutely a forced coercion element to morality, call it dictatorial if you will.

Kant's weekness is he is trapped in the analytic/synthetic dichotomy, I.E: between definitionally true statements and those which require verification. So in that sense like Hegel, he rests his edifice on consciousness and the consciousness of the self. This is still far too vague and metaphysical... I.E: it's not interesting how we cognise knowledge
but how the knowledge is developed and cognised itself, which Kant struggles to answer.

What interests me about morality is how people in any given moment in time are forced to adhere to it, as a power above themselves. Which is why I think Thomas Hobbes is the most important political thinker before Marx, even if his conception of sovereignty runs diametrically opposite to the free development of each being the free development of all.
 

version

Well-known member
These are funny, but I've a feeling the people who write and draw them are incredibly irritating.
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
These are funny, but I've a feeling the people who write and draw them are incredibly irritating
I don't know him (pretty sure it's a dude, tho could be wrong) but he seems not like that at all

like someone with a philosophy degree and a sense of humor who doesn't take any of it too seriously

if you read the comics on the actual site there are footnotes to help anyone who might not be familiar with something follow along

and at the end of each one there's a short text explaining what it's about

it's actually a nice introduction to philosophers you're not familiar with
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
he does have a kind of irritating habit of reusing the same jokes again and again

almost every time Sartre shows up it's just an excuse for him to shout "radical freedom!" at some inopportune time

admittedly it's usually still funny
 

version

Well-known member
I didn't say they weren't funny or informative. I said I got the impression the person making them is incredibly irritating. There's a certain strain of internet humour that's essentially lecturing via memes.
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
they're using philosophy to make jokes

if you learn something along the way that's also cool but it's not really the point

most of them are a pisstake of a philosopher or multiple philosophers anyway
 

luka

Well-known member
I didn't say they weren't funny or informative. I said I got the impression the person making them is incredibly irritating. There's a certain strain of internet humour that's essentially lecturing via memes.

that need to lecture is why they say 'the left cant meme'
 

linebaugh

Well-known member
Not saying that this person is 100% like this, but I get what where version is coming from. The online philosophy meme-o-sphere is rife with irritating personalities.
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
"Let Taco Bell be one of those regrets"

the greatest tagline never written

it so neatly sums up the actual experience of Taco Bell
 

version

Well-known member
Yeah, see that one doesn't have the same vibe I'm talking about. The other one feels like a rant disguised as a meme whereas the Taco Bell one's just funny.
 
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