Man, your initial post was 2 very short lines so you didn't really lay out any emphasis, as far as I can see. Your post came over like the bog standard carping that you see from the Left whenever any critique of the "wrong" nation stations occurs (i.e. those opposed to the West) - whataboutery. Your post above is much more qualified so thank you.@DannyL I fully ‘get‘ where you’re coming from, but the distinction made was that our foundations are rotten, with key points from a historical (rather than a contemporary) perspective. The emphasis was laid out in my original post.
This isn’t some Oedipal complex or lacking a basic understanding of the world (please), rather what our own nation is built on historically. We only got “rights” by suppressing the rights of others (domestic and foreign) and the end of British colonialism is akin to yesterday in the big scheme of things, time-wise. We can just gloss over that, but I’d rather not.
Look at what slave emancipation insurance money contributed toward British infrastructure. Etc. Aboriginal and indigenous slaughter on numerous continents. Wars, endless wars, over anything worth grandstanding over. The “minor” matter of Ireland, sugar plantations in the Caribbean, funding the confederacy during the US Civil War, South Africa‘s legacy, the partition of India. Aka Industrialised mayhem. When was being gay decriminalised here? Not that long ago. Now we can add GCHQ acting as America’s bitch.
You’re spot on about Russia’s own bs. You could add Stalin, famine, genocide basically, but Britain’s own history is littered with atrocities, war crimes, genocide. Are our rights worth defending? Of course they fucking are, but in terms of historical malevolence Britain has taken the piss at astronomical levels.
This isn’t a leftist Oedipal position of ignorance. It’s called history.
It was always stupid to write of Fukuyama. There was a lot of prescient and important stuff in the full length version of The End of History. Because of the stupid title, everybody ignored it after it had its moment. But it's still there and it's still good.What I mean by this is Britain turning into a mobster state, an oligarchy. We're seeing millions, if not billions, in public money disappearing all the time. There's zero accountability. The same people keep moving in and out of government. Everybody knows it's fucked, that the people in power are corrupt, and yet nothing changes.
I know everyone's written off Fukuyama now that history hasn't ended, but I was looking at a relatively recent paper of his on corruption and I think I agree with his contention that it may be THE issue of the 21st century,
You could counter that with climate change or a few other things, but I'd argue it's precisely because of corruption that climate change has become such a pressing issue. If people weren't bowing to lobbying from fossil fuel companies, taking bribes etc then maybe we'd have gotten on top of it decades ago.
Can't remember who said it, but there's a quote along the lines of "I hate my own country because I know it best".I can't help but read this general tendency as oedipal. It's not an accusation I'm levelling at you personally but it's something that's very clear - that psychological weirdness that can never find anything good to say about this country but always has to say something negative.