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tbh the most influential guitar player on 80s funk is almost certainly Nile Rodgers

the meta of post-disco is Rodgers/Edwards, in the way the meta of 70s heavy guitar is Hendrix
 

version

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awful druming

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@The Dude Abides too boring for me ya jazzy nerd

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@The Dude Abides it's called awful druming in boring music. Now go buy a life asap and never come back you idiot.

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@The Dude Abides LOL you idiot ! I don't fuckin care about you and your ass.

soukous25 4 months ago
Hahah you just made complete fool out of yourself, you fuking twat.

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@soukous25 hahaha dont care bout your blabla you idiot jazzy nerd
 

rubberdingyrapids

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i dont really like hendrix' funk rock-ish direction (not including machine gun obv), ie much of the stuff he was doing just before he died. live, its much better than the studio versions. dont think his manic perfectionism matched well with the new vibe he was going for.
generally though, i felt like he was better off the leash, then when trying to tighten his grooves, or trying to write more soul-based songs (do like the gypsys' version of older experience songs though from the fillmore sets). i get the sense that wasnt really his forte.

he did a lot of very cool instrumentals in that period though.

easy blues - a kind of wild jimmy smith thing.
villanova junction
pali gap
beginnings (proggy, math-y, heavy, just brilliant really)
 
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Benny Bunter

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There must be a stones one as well and I'll bet its great.

Live albums are nearly always shit but I love these 60s bbc recordings, somewhere in between studio and live, very few overdubs, lovely fuzzy sound.
 

rubberdingyrapids

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This thread is trying too hard with all the band of gypsys chat, are you experienced and the bbc sessions are where the real Hendrix action is
yep. idk who said hendrix didnt make a decent album - all three of them are pretty brilliant. electric ladyland is a bit weirdly sequenced but pretty much every song is brilliant. and buddy miles is on there on a few songs IIRC too and those tracks are better than most of the BOG stuff. also, mitch mitchell has to be one of the all time best rock drummers. billy cox def brought a meaner, unshowy, tougher bass sound to hendrix, but he was also arguably just more boring and workmanlike. noel redding, despite what ppl seem to say about him not being the greatest bass player, hendrix just bounced off him more interestingly.
 

rubberdingyrapids

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funnily enough after slightly dismissing the BOG, i got hold of a CD on hendrix's 'bootleg' label dagger called burning desire. its basically a series of jams the BOG did together, so i didnt have high hopes for it, jamming being something hendrix did non stop at this time, but its been well edited into a series of highlights, and its actually pretty inspired. he might not have been on top of his songwriting game at this point IMO but his instrumental work was on really good form. also just a lot of fun. the BOG were a really good, tight unit.
 

Benny Bunter

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Might gíve them another go but will take Fire alone over everything by BOG as it stands - its up there with You Really Got Me, My Generation, Twist and shout, Satisfaction.

Hendrix coming over to swinging London and picking up Redding and Mitchell was the best the thing he could have done imo - sharpened him up.

Love a lot of Axis and Electric Ladyland too, especially Crosstown Traffic, but the debut really is one of the best albums of the 60s.
 

rubberdingyrapids

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fire IS incredible. i think i prefer highway chile, or stone free though. im not that into purple haze - i think i might have heard it too much. i also just dont find it as exciting as the other songs on that first album. i always wanted to hear it faster.
but you should check out the BOG live versions of experience songs from the fillmore east box set (its on spotify). gives them a totally different feel.
 

Benny Bunter

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Yeah I like the fast ones like stone free, thats why I like Crosstown traffic and Fire so much too, great examples of how important Mitchell was to that group, that forward momentum. I love purple haze but its more of a pummelling, proto metal sort of sound.

I've got spotify so I'll check that BOG thing out at some point.
 
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"crosstown traffic" is so great, always been a fav. heard "manic depression" recently, had forgotten how weird the melody is.
 

Benny Bunter

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"crosstown traffic" is so great, always been a fav. heard "manic depression" recently, had forgotten how weird the melody is.
Definitely, the genius thing about these two is how the sonics evoke the subject of the songs so well - Crosstown Traffic's 'Look out!' and the backing vox that sound like beeping horns, and Manic Depression's vexed, knotty riffs.

Thats why I dont understand it when people say he wasnt a great song writer cos he obviously was, cos that is a very rare skill.
 

rubberdingyrapids

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Thats why I dont understand it when people say he wasnt a great song writer cos he obviously was, cos that is a very rare skill.

i think it was the idea that he couldnt possibly be a guitar god AND a great songwriter. keeping him in that box of the wild performer who wanked his guitar and battered his amps while looking like he was fucking them etc. i remember in the early days of the internet i would find fan sites with people comparing hendrix to clapton and saying things like hendrix didnt 'think' about his solos, while clapton did.
but hendrix's reputation has changed quite a lot over the years (on the quietus site's bakers dozen feature, im always surprised at the different sorts of artists who list his albums).
only relatively recently i think have critics really appreciated his experimentation and studio adventurism - i think it was simon reynolds actually or kodwo eshun that made me think of that. much as i hate a lot of the production of the songs he was working on near his death, they do sometimes sound like he was using effects or an aesthetic that wouldnt really take off until a few years later (happy to be corrected though). that guitar tone on things like drifters escape, room full of mirrors, or his studio version of star spangled banner (which i dont even like tbh), it does seem like something youd expect from a very proggy, mid 70s band, not someone at the end of the 60s?
 
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