The End of Civilization.

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luka said:
Version, typically, brings up some forgotten 1980s film in which some stud waltzes into a town of squares and teaches them how to dance seduces all the women then disappears leaving everyone happy and cleansed and reinvigorated.
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Oct 3, 2019
Kevin Bacon in Footloose.

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Eerie.

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luka said:
There's a thread about that somewhere
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nilprenia

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suspendedreason said:
I think the idea of inside/outside is pretty key to subculture stuff. I think we should probably just taboo the word "counterculture"; it implies a mainstream, and we don't really have that anymore.

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The Melancholy of Subculture Society

Internet links small groups, helping dissolve big groups; good, bad? But a bit sad.
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Honestly I think gwern is a tedious pseud, he loves to rehash a common point in lots of hypertext as if it makes it more salient
 
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a "pseud"!!

I think his hypertext has gotten way baroque and overkill lately but

His stuff on modafinil, bitcoin, others are the best entries on their subject on the web I think, or were at some point a few years back when I checked
 
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I dunno if "disruption" covers it; the key is heterotopia—other place. Foucault's term for these strange spaces where new and alternative social structures can pop up because they're not settled by Town yet, they're filled with barbarians figuring out their own way. You exit, then return, hero's journey style, bringing back new knowledge to the community

Disruption.

Let's examine disruption. Uber. Disaster Capitalism. Dominic Cummings. San Francisco. New Burrito App. Revolution in work practice. It owes a lot to the idea quoted below. That to reassemble at a higher level of complexity first you need to break down the previous order.
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suspendedreason said:
a "pseud"!!

I think his hypertext has gotten way baroque and overkill lately but

His stuff on modafinil, bitcoin, others are the best entries on their subject on the web I think, or were at some point a few years back when I checked
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Yeah I mean respect to his quest for thoroughness in cataloguing those interests I guess. My take away from what I've read about both modafinil and bitcoin however is that they're not worth the trouble
 
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nilprenia said:
Yeah I mean respect to his quest for thoroughness in cataloguing those interests I guess. My take away from what I've read about both modafinil and bitcoin however is that they're not worth the trouble
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Ooh modafinil is definitely worth the trouble... you'll have to sample sometime
 
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suspendedreason said:
I dunno if "disruption" covers it; the key is heterotopia—other place. Foucault's term for these strange spaces where new and alternative social structures can pop up because they're not settled by Town yet, they're filled with barbarians figuring out their own way. You exit, then return, hero's journey style, bringing back new knowledge to the community

Disruption.

Let's examine disruption. Uber. Disaster Capitalism. Dominic Cummings. San Francisco. New Burrito App. Revolution in work practice. It owes a lot to the idea quoted below. That to reassemble at a higher level of complexity first you need to break down the previous order.
www.dissensus.com
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I've always understood heterotopias as Other not because they are unsettled, though I guess technically that's true, but as places where associations are rewired in a way alien to The Town. The whole symbolic order delineating an entirely new set of referents. Hence his his examples (unashamedly pulled right from Wikipedia): ships, cemeteries, bars, brothels, prisons etc. Objects in this space have differing meaning relative to outside the space because they are defined by a use unique to the heterotopia.

And this is right in line with Campbells conception of the Hero's Journey- its not just that the hero brings back new knowledge, its that he gets rid of the old crystalized associations fettering desire. Thats why the hero 'dies' or goes into the underworld, to kill the old self and return to the village unencumbered
 
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I've always understood heterotopias as Other not because they are unsettled, though I guess technically that's true, but as places where associations are rewired in a way alien to The Town. The whole symbolic order delineating an entirely new set of referents. Hence his his examples (unashamedly pulled right from Wikipedia): ships, cemeteries, bars, brothels, prisons etc. Objects in this space have differing meaning relative to outside the space because they are defined by a use unique to the heterotopia.

And this is right in line with Campbells conception of the Hero's Journey- its not just that the hero brings back new knowledge, its that he gets rid of the old crystalized associations fettering desire. Thats why the hero 'dies' or goes into the underworld, to kill the old self and return to the village unencumbered
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Yeah this aligns with my understanding of orthodox and heterodox. Anything that doesn't align with the dominant interests, anything that isn't ortho, is hetero.
 
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