thirdform

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Before my tastes were perfect, the dudes and I would get blamowed and take turns playing up beat miserable indulgence music and my buddy would demand I fight him. One night he up and back hand slapped me full force and I ended up putting his head through the dry wall. Drinking from age 16-21 for whatever reason made me want to sprint and stuff like this was the soundtrack to that. Still not sure this album is completely irredeemable. Guitars recorded nice, catchy tunes, gus might like it.

This kind of music is why white women suffer from the terminal affliction of relationship problems. It's supposed to be empowering but the riot-grrl version of this just ends up coming across as please top me big boy. Which is fine, just not very feminist, as it were.
 

linebaugh

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if were talking stereotypes that music is interesting because its fans are always loser single men or women with an asshole hole older boyfriend, something has to give.
 

linebaugh

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its impossible to know how much miserabilist music exacerbates miserabilist personalities, if it at all, but I dont think its zero.
 

thirdform

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Gus for instance had never been bullied for his music taste before and of course he absolutely loves it, its an exotic experience totally novel.

I've always felt a vibe for the music I'm into, and you do if it's good. When I was a Soul boy, I never used to tell anyone. The Reggae boys hated Soul boys - they thought you was a bit of a pansy if you liked Soul music. I used to go in the 100 Club on Oxford Street, and this girl I knew from school came down there one week, saw me there and went back to school and told everyone that she saw me in there. So to save face , I said the them, 'Do not listen to that girl. I have never been in to a Soul club in my life. Don't believe her'. But at the same time, I could never understand what was wrong with Soul, except for the label.

 

linebaugh

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theres also the counter fact that most peoples music taste stop developing in their teenage years and when they listen to this music as adults its not because they feel the same but its the only music they know how to respond too and can imagine/picture/recognize themselves listening too
 

IdleRich

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Yeah it's nice, but it's like Italo. Kitsch disco for kitsch people. Which is fine as it goes, but why not have a bit of the real deal?


very early house, still disco.



proper boogie

I don't really understand this. I take it that when you say "why not have a bit of the real deal?" that you are suggesting these tracks as a kind of replacement for the Vera Lindt thing, meaning that in some sense they do the same thing (or have the same function or aim - or at least there is some obvious way in which they can be compared) but ultimately do it better.

But I don't hear that point of comparison. Those tunes are not the same sound or vibe and if I were in the mood to listen to VL - or something like it but better - I don't think those would do the job; even if they are more authentic emanations from the same ultimate source, that's not what matters in the moment when you're seeking to scratch a certain itch by listening to a specific tune.

Or am I failing to grasp your point? That is entirely possible in the circumstances.
 

thirdform

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I don't really understand this. I take it that when you say "why not have a bit of the real deal?" that you are suggesting these tracks as a kind of replacement for the Vera Lindt thing, meaning that in some sense they do the same thing (or have the same function or aim - or at least there is some obvious way in which they can be compared) but ultimately do it better.

But I don't hear that point of comparison. Those tunes are not the same sound or vibe and if I were in the mood to listen to VL - or something like it but better - I don't think those would do the job; even if they are more authentic emanations from the same ultimate source, that's not what matters in the moment when you're seeking to scratch a certain itch by listening to a specific tune.

Or am I failing to grasp your point? That is entirely possible in the circumstances.

I mean in a way it's like idm or conceptronica or all these things right? The Vera Lindt thing won't exist without its main source being black american disco.

i suppose, the real question I'm trying to ask is what vibe does the Vera Lindt thing give you that let's say more canonical disco doesn't?

With more Italo stuff I can understand the appeal, it's akin to 80s happy hardcore, the pleasure principle amplified to a deliterious degree where it gets really weird and deranged. But this to me sounds.. I dunno. Flat.
 

thirdform

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That being said I'm not against these sorts of appropriations, just as I'm not against IDM/electronica. But for this kind of thing I prefer post-punks referencing reggae and dub, I think - it integrates better with the rock they were breaking away from.
 

thirdform

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Part of the problem is I have a dishonest relationship with europop, I can only really appreciate it when its extreme or weirdo. I dunno why that is. I've just never been able to fully surrender to that universe, it demands a certain proximity to the intelligentsia rather than antagonism. My issue is the opposite, I know everything the intelligentsia knows, but because I know how hierarchised it is I like to serve as a foil. That sort of music speaks of integration and acceptance, the new Europe, but I mean one just has to look at the French.
 

thirdform

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probably why I like D.A.F. They don't try to hide their germanness sterm und drang. But in the service of parodying nationalism. Doug Mccarthy and Nitzer Eb are also great at that. Thud thud thud Euro war stomp, but made ecstatic.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
I mean in a way it's like idm or conceptronica or all these things right? The Vera Lindt thing won't exist without its main source being black american disco.

i suppose, the real question I'm trying to ask is what vibe does the Vera Lindt thing give you that let's say more canonical disco doesn't?

With more Italo stuff I can understand the appeal, it's akin to 80s happy hardcore, the pleasure principle amplified to a deliterious degree where it gets really weird and deranged. But this to me sounds.. I dunno. Flat.
OK so I was on the right lines... yes it may be an ersatz version of disco but I think that in its development to that it's changed enough to become a different thing - it sounds like a drramy chill-out thing to me and so it's doing something completely different to those realer disco tunes that you posted. The question of which does x better has changed to, am I after some x or do in fact want y?
 

IdleRich

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probably why I like D.A.F. They don't try to hide their germanness sterm und drang. But in the service of parodying nationalism. Doug Mccarthy and Nitzer Eb are also great at that. Thud thud thud Euro war stomp, but made ecstatic.
Funny how many people have been surprised to discover Nigeria Ebb aren't German... or even insist that they must be.
Edit: or Nigerian even, thanks spell-checker
 

thirdform

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Funny how many people have been surprised to discover Nigeria Ebb aren't German... or even insist that they must be.
Edit: or Nigerian even, thanks spell-checker

No I know they are essex boys. But they tap into that weird lineage where the stiffest whiteboy dance becomes compellingly funky (see Carl Craig on Kraftwerk.)
 

thirdform

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OK so I was on the right lines... yes it may be an ersatz version of disco but I think that in its development to that it's changed enough to become a different thing - it sounds like a drramy chill-out thing to me and so it's doing something completely different to those realer disco tunes that you posted. The question of which does x better has changed to, am I after some x or do in fact want y?

I mean this thread is supposed to be the anti-dissensus dissensus isn't it. So someone has to take the pro-dissensus position whilst Luke is on 5g conspiracy twitter accounts.
 
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