Constant Escape: Exegesis and Study Group

constant escape

winter withered, warm
And the entropy point seems to withstand what I understand of entropy both in the physical sense and in the information sense. Its an issue that cataclysmically dwarfs all the others issues that have plagued humanity for millennia. In fact it subsumes nearly all of them, if not all.
 

constant escape

winter withered, warm
According to my understanding of the science, which is two degrees of approximation, we, the egos, occupy a spatio-temporally insanely unlikely set of circumstances wherein organized physical syste,s have managed to stay organized, stay alive, long enough to allow us to emerge and reflect upon it all. We would be able to make much more progress here if we had more humans thinking, rather than starving, getting persecuted for this or that reason, or just shitting their time away.
 

constant escape

winter withered, warm
Had some wine, so the spirits are out and about. I've been feeling something of a recess of fervor lately, but perhaps things have just shifted into some dimension I;m not privy to yet.

edit: perhaps some kind of homeostasis/equilibrium
 
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suspended

Well-known member
@constant escape you might enjoy this Michael Levin/Dan Dennett article "Cognition all the way down"

perhaps also Karl Friston—The mathematics of mind time which goes into entropy, homeostasis, attractors as they pertain to intelligence

And then there's also a good Dennett talk at Google that goes into this, summarizing his ideas in Bach to Bacteria

all this idea that intelligence predates conscious minds, and is a principle of life itself. Intelligence as an extension of the "good regulator theorem" in cybernetics
 

constant escape

winter withered, warm
Thanks for the leads man, Ill check out the Dennett video.

Granted I'm not familiar with the cultures of these various fields, but it seems like the Hameroffs and the Penroses out there seem to be closing in on similar conclusions, if even provisionally, in terms of consciousness and cosmology. Then again, perhaps the extremities of these theories is regarded as pseudoscience by certain loyalists to scientism, the skepticism of whom is, needless to say, an exceptional braking/tempering mechanism here.
 

luka

Well-known member
Marshall McLuhan: My procedure is based on the identity, the identity, of the processes of cognition and creation.

Dobbs: Yes, but then that identity is applied to mapping that process on the machines of communication.

McLuhan: Yes, as extensions of our unconscious.

Dobbs: And my father and his people realized that what Joyce was demonstrating in Finnegans Wake was a means of being conscious of those stages of apprehension.

McLuhan: But today it is largely futile to discuss it at all at any level of society.
 

luka

Well-known member
I

Man's percepti-
-ons are not bound
-ed by organs of
perception. he per-
-ceives more than
sense (tho' ever
so acute) can
discover


II

Reason or the ra-
-tio of all we have
already known is
not the same that
it shall be when
we know more


IV

The bounded is
loathed by its pos-
-sessor.The same
dull round even
of the univere, would
soon become a
mill with complica-
-ted wheels.


V

If the many bec-
-ome the same as
the few, when pos-
-sess'd, More! More!
is the cry of a mista-
-ken soul, less than
All cannot satisfy
Man


VI

If any could de-
-sire what he is in-
-capable of posses-
sing, despair must
be his eternal
lot


VII

The desire of
Man being Infi-
-nite the possession
is Infinite & him-
-self Infinite


Application

He who sees the In-
-finite in all things
sees God. He who
sees the Ratio only
sees himself only


Conclusion

If it were not for the
Poetic or Prophetic
character, the Philo-
-sophic& Experimen-
-tal would soon be
at the ratio of all
things, & stand still,
unable to do other
than repeat the same
dull round over a-
-gain


Therefore
God becomes as
we are, that we
may be as he
is
 

constant escape

winter withered, warm
If the many bec-
-ome the same as
the few, when pos-
-sess'd, More! More!
is the cry of a mista-
-ken soul, less than
All cannot satisfy
Man

This seems like the primary hurdle separating most humans from what could not unfairly be called a higher order perspective. But something that was helpful for me to learn was this: that such advances are not necessarily permanent, and thus a sort of psychic maintenance is incentivized, in order to secure such advancements. That said, such maintenance can be strategically and cleverly consolidated into more and more manageable efforts, and this consolidation of efforts is crucial if we are to continuously increase our scope.


He who sees the In-
-finite in all things
sees God. He who
sees the Ratio only
sees himself only

Again, this shows the significance of bearing in mind the distinction between map and territory, no? But at certain depths of science, one needs to be able to feel beyond the logos, rather than automatically (and due to a lack of felt understanding) merely accept logos as the reality it approximates.

If it were not for the
Poetic or Prophetic
character, the Philo-
-sophic& Experimen-
-tal would soon be
at the ratio of all
things, & stand still,
unable to do other
than repeat the same
dull round over a-
-gain

As you've said @luka, such figures create what is systematized by scientists.
 
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