IdleRich

IdleRich
Well generalisations are always too broad - I'm sure there are some people who want to forget about poverty and some who enjoy being in a better position than others that they see, sometimes much better.
 

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True, but I think the way that works is they compete with the people they see as their peers, not the people they see as beneath them. It's "I've a nicer car than my neighbour" rather than "I've a house and that guy in the doorway doesn't".
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
It might keep you in line though... "Maybe I'll quit my job and become a painter... oh look at that guy there... maybe I'll keep the job and paint in my spare time".
 

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It might keep you in line though... "Maybe I'll quit my job and become a painter... oh look at that guy there... maybe I'll keep the job and paint in my spare time".
People don't believe it can happen to them though. It's like being unable to truly grasp your own mortality when you're young. It's something that happens to other people, not you.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
President Biden has removed the Diet Coke button. When ShippersUnbound and I interviewed Donald Trump in 2019, we became fascinated by what the little red button did. Eventually Trump pressed it, and a butler swiftly brought in a Diet Coke on a silver platter. It's gone now.
 

Mr. Tea

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I'm not convinced. My impression's they don't even want to acknowledge it's possible. Out of sight, out of mind.
Without poverty, there'd be no tramps for Bullingdon Club inductees to burn a 50 quid note in front of.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
One thing I think is that Biden is just more competent than Trump, he understands the mechanisms of administration better (he should do - he's been part of it for more than eighty years), so, for example it was in the news the other day that Trump's regime had left no plan whatsoever for the role out of the vaccine. I'm pretty sure that Biden will put someone competent and effective in charge of that and it will get doled out reasonably well. Cos he thinks that's the sort of thing that a "professional" president should do. I'm not even saying that this attitude of competent respectability is always a good thing, I can imagine him signing orders to drone bomb some kids or destabilise a South American government - regretfully no doubt - but with the same dry professionalism, as he recognises that that is simply what the US does and what the president has to do.
Am I saying "at least he'll make the trains run on time"? I guess something a bit like that but less extreme. It's just Trump had swung so far in the opposite direction that it's worth noting.
 

Mr. Tea

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Trump, while careening all over the place like an Adderall-spangled cannonball, was also signing off orders for drone missions and the like at a greater rate than under Obama, and dismantled what measures Obama had put in place to make information about military missions (such as civilian casualties) public.

So if Trump swung in the opposite direction in some respects, in others he swung in the same direction, only further.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
What I mean is he didn't know how government was supposed to work, he fired competent officials and replaced them with yes-men with no experience. Many of his executive orders were struck down by the courts cos they were so badly drawn up they were unconstitutional, the White House was, by all accounts, in chaos with Ivanka-Kushner struggling for power with whoever had Trump's ear and the two factions often giving conflicting orders to underlings who had no clear chain of command etc
So I'm not talking about what Biden does, but how he does it. I suspect he's more interested in and capable of running a proper system that works, with orders going through the process they're supposed to and reaching the people who can activate them. And of course this can be for better or for worse, depending what it is used for.
 
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Mr. Tea

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I see what you mean. I think the damage he could do, although obviously considerable, was probably restricted somewhat by the chaos and incompetency. I know @luka is convinced that GWB was far worse than Trump - I'm guessing mainly because of the Iraq invasion - but it's sobering to think what might have happened if Trump had been part of a well-oiled machine comprising the likes of Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Rice, Bolton and the rest.

A counterfactual that could probably never have been, of course, since Trump has no interest in being part of anyone's machine, well-oiled or otherwise.
 
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Trump, while careening all over the place like an Adderall-spangled cannonball, was also signing off orders for drone missions and the like at a greater rate than under Obama, and dismantled what measures Obama had put in place to make information about military missions (such as civilian casualties) public.

So if Trump swung in the opposite direction in some respects, in others he swung in the same direction, only further.
Not laughing at you Tea I would never laugh at you I just love the phrase Adderall spangled cannonball
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
A lot of people would never laugh at him....
I'm joking of course, reminds me of Monkhouse "People laughed when I said I was gonna be a comic - they're not laughing now".
 
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