A Brooklyn Culture Mafia

[IdleRich]

What's Clandestinos? Is it a cool bar? Tell us about it... paint a picture with words that tells us more than that surreptitious and dark photo that could be of any place in any city in the anglo-sphere or Europe.

i did notice a few quite attractive girls and boys. nothing over and above a standard evening in that part of town though. obviously i didn't talk to any of them, i'm not a psycho

You gotta talk to them; when William Borroughs wrote Junky he went all in, he didn't get to Lexington 125 and go "that's enough" or that woman with the gorillas didn't stop when she arrived. You're at the threshold, your work is just beginning, now is the time to get properly involved. You need to get fucked up on the drug of choice, invite yourself back with some people carrying on after, probably you're gonna have to have sex with at least one of them to really get inside what's going on (as it were) I'm afraid.

Also, were they playing music at the bar? What kind of music? What drinks did they sell? Were they offering food and if so what kind? How was the vibe - was it friendly or was everyone there trying to be intimidatingly cool and aloof and acting like a cunt as a result? From what you've given us so far we're barely getting the slightest taste of the place. You know you can do better.

 

[shakahislop]

What's Clandestinos? Is it a cool bar? Tell us about it... paint a picture with words that tells us more than that surreptitious and dark photo that could be of any place in any city in the anglo-sphere or Europe.



You gotta talk to them; when William Borroughs wrote Junky he went all in, he didn't get to Lexington 125 and go "that's enough" or that woman with the gorillas didn't stop when she arrived. You're at the threshold, your work is just beginning, now is the time to get properly involved. You need to get fucked up on the drug of choice, invite yourself back with some people carrying on after, probably you're gonna have to have sex with at least one of them to really get inside what's going on (as it were) I'm afraid.

Also, were they playing music at the bar? What kind of music? What drinks did they sell? Were they offering food and if so what kind? How was the vibe - was it friendly or was everyone there trying to be intimidatingly cool and aloof and acting like a cunt as a result? From what you've given us so far we're barely getting the slightest taste of the place. You know you can do better.

i appreciate the challenge. i sat at a table with my mate who suggested the place, being an artist type, and we got stuck into things. it was basically three pints of IPA and some high quality chat. but a few observations. it's....well it's a bar in dimes square that keeps coming up in this thread. its pretty small, a bar and about five tables. nothing special. about 8pm they properly dimmed the lights and it was candelit faces everywhere.

music was mid-00s US indie that mostly i didn't recognise, which isn't something i get much out of. not very loud though which was good. it looked like mostly people were there in couples or small groups - quite a lot of people on dates actually - i don't think i noticed anyone talk to anyone outside of the people they came with. not sure about aloofness exactly coz i didn't try to speak to anyone except my mate. there was a french-speaking geezer who came in and sat at the table next to me who had all kinds of aggro about him, a kind of defensive swagger, bad vibes merchant. it wasn't friendly at all, but i find a background level of hostility is par for the course here, i mean it's not that unusual.

 

[shakahislop]

i guess its always my feeling with any place like this - no one wants to talk to one another. i mean i have no idea really after a couple of hours in the place, maybe its not like that, but i mean there was absolutely zero chance that i was going to end up chatting to anyone except the mate i came with.

 

[sus]

i guess its always my feeling with any place like this - no one wants to talk to one another. i mean i have no idea really after a couple of hours in the place, maybe its not like that, but i mean there was absolutely zero chance that i was going to end up chatting to anyone except the mate i came with.

We're all mentally ill it's a defense mechanism

 

[IdleRich]

So as a bar itself there is nothing to lift it out of the ordinary? Noteworthy because of where it is or who has been in there or some other similar reason I guess.

 

[shakahislop]

So as a bar itself there is nothing to lift it out of the ordinary? Noteworthy because of where it is or who has been in there or some other similar reason I guess.

nothing really to tell you the truth. its a nice bar, with a kind of alternative clientele. suspended might have a better idea of where it fits into the brooklyn cultural mafia though.

 

[version]

We're all mentally ill it's a defense mechanism

That or biology's lagging behind technology.

 

[sus]

So as a bar itself there is nothing to lift it out of the ordinary? Noteworthy because of where it is or who has been in there or some other similar reason I guess.

I’m chatting with friends on a music forum about the Dean Kissick Phenomenon. “OK, why the feck are you talking about this bloke?” a member named IdleRich asks. Rich runs a record label called Invisible Sounds, which was sorta adjacent to the Fat White Family, but that scene started doing too much heroin so Rich had to leave London. I answer: “He was the most memed man in Manhattan this summer.” Rich wants to know why; I say: thousands of words of e-ink have spilled and no answer found. I say: it’s like crypto, like politics, like the flow of symbolic capital. It’s all network effects, Tinkerbell effects, and positive feedback loops. Matthew 25:29: For to every one who has will more be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who has not, even what he has will be taken away. Value built on the perception of value, interest on interest. “Meme magic”; home range of hyperstition. No grounding, just pure belief. The price only plummets when people stop believing. Roadrunner falls when roadrunner looks down. I tell him, these are beautiful things.

 

[IdleRich]

nothing really to tell you the truth. its a nice bar, with a kind of alternative clientele. suspended might have a better idea of where it fits into the brooklyn cultural mafia though.

That's what I mean really, it's not the physical attributes of a place that make it some kind of centre. It's very easy for some out of towner to read about the new place that's really trendy, then visit it for a few beers when he's in NY and, finally, when he gets back home to buttfuck nowhere he can self-satisfiedly tell his friends that the so-called coolest spot in NY is nothing special, he's been to lots of nicer places and they are not missing out with their local place which does bigger burgers at half the price.

Having completely missed the point.... failed to understand what made it good and judged it by the wrong criteria... and of course not taken into account that if it's known about by yokels in nowheresville then the cognoscenti have long moved on and forgotten about this place altogether.

But he's happy knowing he's cooler than the cool so it's all good I guess. I've done it myself more than once in fact.

 

[sus]

The correct way to experience Clandestino is having sex with a journalism/art waif in the bathroom, I believe

 

[IdleRich]

Surely it's the coyote that falls when he looks down? The roadrunner never falls.

 

[sus]

Surely it's the coyote that falls when he looks down? The roadrunner never falls.

Oh jeez and to imagine, no editor caught this! Smh at the cultural illiteracy these days. TBF I have never seen the show, only a parody on Farscape

 

[shakahislop]

The correct way to experience Clandestino is having sex with a journalism/art waif in the bathroom, I believe

I'll check it out, thanks for the tip

 

[sus]

 

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Big development here, someone has made a Cellectuals account for me. Show your support and hit that mfing like and follow!

 

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Big development here, someone has made a Cellectuals account for me. Show your support and hit that mfing like and follow!

for a lump sum to be negotiated I will promote it to my thousands of followers.

 

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Big development here, someone has made a Cellectuals account for me. Show your support and hit that mfing like and follow!

Speaking as someone who usually uses non-face avatars, except for here, to me this ties into autism spectrum disorders. I know empiricism and science as a whole isn't regarded that highly here, but there have been experiments involving eye-tracking, where subjects diagnosed with an ASD were observed as they watched Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf? and their visual attention was consistently directed at non-facial features in the frame, as opposed to the eye movements of non-ASD subjects, which were consistently focused on the faces of the lead characters.

 

[Clinamenic]

This evidence doesn't need to be regarded as absolute proof of a theory (I tend to think such conclusions are misguided, conflating map with territory), but it does make a lot of sense in my opinion. It adds up with some of what I presume are the primary diagnostic features of ASD, such as the inability to be clued into certain social communications and ques, and it also roughly aligns in general with the stereotypic impression I have of internet users with non-facial profile pics.

Even with the NFT profile picture (PFP) craze, the vast majority of them are facial images, albeit frequently non-human faces, which is interesting in and of itself. Its tacitly assumed that non-facial NFT images aren't intended to be used as profile pictures.

 

[Clinamenic]

It seems more difficult to mentally map and assess the intelligent entities one interacts with, if those entities don't present themselves with a face.

I think this also may psychologically tie in with masks as a social phenomenon, not being able to see half of a person's face, not being able to read a good portion of their facial signals.

 

[Clinamenic]

Really this cellectuals movement is the closest thing to a true, contemporary avant-garde, theory-wise, that I can name. At the intersection of postmodern internet culture, post-humanism, autism spectrum disorders, and of course sexual pathologies

(edit: re "sexual pathologies" i.e. behavioral phenomenology, organisms that move around their lives in ways that are statistically abnormal in terms of sexual activity - which is my long-winded and academic way of disqualifying this statement as a value judgement).