sus

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The newspaper’s 28 uneven and sometimes inspired pages are a blend of inside jokes, vaccine quizzes, occasionally turgid prose and advice for having sex on the club drug ketamine. The newspaper started as a kind of a joke for Ms. Guterman’s and Ms. Banse’s friends around the triangle known as “Dimes Square,” which gets its name from the restaurant Dimes, which is owned by two models. (The name refers to how hot its customers are — they’re all 10s.) Ms. Guterman, a recent graduate of the New School, and Ms. Banse, of New York University, are now in the awkward position of having put enough work into the paper — and created buzz in magazines like New York and Interview — that it no longer feels like a prank and they’re losing their sense of humor about typos.
 

sus

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The Dimes Square local media include a pirate radio station, Montez Press Radio, that won’t let you listen on demand, and a “natural style” fashion email newsletter, Opulent Tips, written by a GQ staff writer, with no fancy formatting. Many of the most interesting new products are in print “because digital spaces are becoming increasingly more policed,” said Richard Turley, 44, the former creative director of Bloomberg Businessweek who founded another downtown newspaper, Civilization, in 2018.
Can't believe we've never talked about Montez! It's like college radio for Brooklyn Culture Mafia & wannabes!
 

sus

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Smart marketing! Nobody's able to get a copy of an issue! People have been clambering across Manhattan on release days and just finding empty boxes. Even Dasha can't get a copy!

The downtown media rebellion often looks back to the 1990s, when the model and actress Chloë Sevigny embodied an edgy new scene in a New Yorker profile, just before her star turn in the explicit 1995 movie “Kids.” Ms. Sevigny, now 46, is a running preoccupation — The Drunken Canal has featured her stylist, Haley Wollens. Ms. Sevigny told me she’s “flattered and hoping the kids rally for all of us.” But the more recent seeds of the current scene are in the podcasts that helped put a strain of left-wing populist politics that’s as hostile to Hillary Clinton as it is to Donald Trump on the political map — in particular, one called Red Scare, whose co-host, Dasha Nekrasova, lives near Dimes Square. Ms. Nekrasova, 30, said she admired the spirit of The Drunken Canal although, like many of its admirers, she hasn’t actually been able to get her hands on a copy.
 

sus

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Look at all these dots getting connected @version
A conversation between Ms. Marnell and the influencer Caroline Calloway appears in the fourth issue of The Drunken Canal, and Ms. Marnell says she admires the newspaper though she, too, has never seen it.
And people claim the mafia isn't real!!
 

sus

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This is amazing!!!!

Ms. Levy, the writer, said she had been thinking a lot about self-mythologizing groups of people. She was thinking particularly about Andy Warhol and Studio 54, she said, and “how many people on the scene must have been like, ‘Oh my God, those are the most annoying people.” She gets, she said, where Valerie Solanas, who shot Mr. Warhol in 1968, was coming from.

“I totally understand Valerie Solanas,” she said. “But I’d rather be Andy Warhol than her.”
 

IdleRich

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Protip: if you come away from a NYT article hating someone, you got played
Never sure about this sort of argument. But just to get it straight if I read something and I hate someone who is mentioned, who was I played by, the person in article or the NYT or is it that the person guests in the NYT and makes you hate them so both answers were correct?
But the main point, it's really really to make someone sound dislikable so.... well I need an answer to the above so I understand what you mean before I ask the next question.
But my first thought (with the proviso that in fact it may not be related at all) *was it reminded me somehow of all those people going "I like Donald Trump cos he annoys people" - it's easy to annoy people, most people are annoying, and when they are annoying it's.... annoying. So I know it's a bit boring and conventional to prefer people who don't annoy you but it's also less annoying.
 

Leo

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The NY Times certainly writes about privileged white people, but sometimes with a skewering, mildly mocking tone. "Look at what these folks are doing" can be misread as an implied endorsement when in fact a closer reading says "look at these jerkoffs".
 

Leo

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that being said, the Times has written some cringeworthy profiles of the privileged.
 

sus

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I've made attempts to unpack my meaning but they all sound less compelling than the witty aphorism so I'm gonna leave it there
 

IdleRich

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The NY Times certainly writes about privileged white people, but sometimes with a skewering, mildly mocking tone. "Look at what these folks are doing" can be misread as an implied endorsement when in fact a closer reading says "look at these jerkoffs".
But I'm gonna take this as broadly answering what I was saying.
And to be clear, I guess I just wanted to understand that if I read an article in the NYT about one of those people in the thing above - I don't recall any names so let them be, say, person A - if I read an article in the NYT about A and at the end I thought they were a bit of an arsehole then it was in fact what was intended by the NYT.
For a second I thought that you were saying (or at least I wasn't sure that you weren't saying) that Person A would have played me by getting me to think that they were a dick. And I was thinking that there were people (in fact a whole class of people) who had sufficient clout or at least sufficient friends to be able to finagle a piece about them into the NYT, and that they would use that piece to trick the reader (me) into thinking that they were an arsehole - so they would all be meeting up after saying "ha that guy had never heard of me but now he has and he thinks I'm a twat. What a fool - he got played!". But actually that's not something that happens as standard. Sadly. Oh well.
 

IdleRich

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Cos, well as it happens, I don't really read the NYT, but if I did I would obviously be losing loads of nuance of bluff and double-bluff, or would I? I don't even know if that's how it works, maybe I would be just inserting that myself. As you said about the poisoned drink in Princess Bride, layers of bluff become meaningless and useless above two. That in fact WAS a witty and useful pop-cultural statement which I passed off as my own in real life conversation attempting to explain why later seasons of Billions are shit.
 
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