entertainment

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i liked it better the old way because it weren't necessarily the book smart people who could say things in the school yard. the book people had the comfy home with nice parents but couldn't necessarily compete in the schoolyard.

nowadays the book smart people can have it all.
 

pattycakes_

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You could say it marks the end of an era where people were inspired and influenced by active living people - max a generation above them. This force of inspiration led them to come up with new and exciting things which would then go on to inspire the next lot. Even if it was a reaction against, there was still a passing on of the lifeforce. That cycle seemed to work pretty well and produce consistent results for quite a few decades. Looking back at the 20th century now, the 2nd half at least, it was a century of youth culture. An explosion of. Looking at what's happening now, I don't see that same passing of the torch. Its just one big messy buffet, which allows for a new type of hierarchy which puts the power into the hands of @entertainment's book smart kids and others. Who I have nothing against on principle, I just don't think they're likely to be the ones coming up with the goods when it comes to something as potent as say, jungle.
 

IdleRich

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i think a lot of these people were serious, overly studious nerds in school, so once they get to hip brooklyn--in their minds, on the merits of how interesting they've become thanks to all their highbrow reading and academic cleverness--they feel like it's their turn to live it up and be rockstars. the magicians (the book) captures this dynamic of insufferable self conscious / self congratulatory hedonism pretty well iirc
Well probably everyone should get a turn... and if you can make yours happen simply by believing hard enough that it's time then good luck to you I say.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
You could say it marks the end of an era where people were inspired and influenced by active living people - max a generation above them. This force of inspiration led them to come up with new and exciting things which would then go on to inspire the next lot. Even if it was a reaction against, there was still a passing on of the lifeforce. That cycle seemed to work pretty well and produce consistent results for quite a few decades. Looking back at the 20th century now, the 2nd half at least, it was a century of youth culture. An explosion of. Looking at what's happening now, I don't see that same passing of the torch. Its just one big messy buffet, which allows for a new type of hierarchy which puts the power into the hands of @entertainment's book smart kids and others. Who I have nothing against on principle, I just don't think they're likely to be the ones coming up with the goods when it comes to something as potent as say, jungle.
I guess the teenager as a concept was invented in.... what, the fifties they say I think. Fits well with what you're saying.
 

suspended

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It's elevated, low-client-count prostitution with some wine'n'dine options, maybe an appearance at dinner with the parents, show off your "catch"
 

mvuent

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wow what an unpleasant bit of writing,

without any humour or compassion whatsoever. not a single sympathetic character. does nothing but lightly dramatise the accepted news narrative. 0/10 see me after class.
i must have read a different story. you probably just think it's bad because it wasn't written by a french person. the way, for example, time quietly accelerates as a fulfilled life slips further and further from the main character’s grasp is viscerally unsettling. likewise the way the characters' emotional lives and desires seem to slip through the cracks of all these clever theories that they speak and frame their experiences in. anyways i'll shut up now bc "incel fiction that i read yesterday" isn't a hill i particularly want to die on...
 

suspended

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i must have read a different story. you probably just think it's bad because it wasn't written by a french person. the way, for example, time quietly accelerates as a fulfilled life slips further and further from the main character’s grasp is viscerally unsettling. likewise the way the characters' emotional lives and desires seem to slip through the cracks of all these clever theories that they speak and frame their experiences in. anyways i'll shut up now bc "incel fiction that i read yesterday" isn't a hill i particularly want to die on...
Yeah it was a very unpleasant read, getting inside the protagonists life narrative, so I've avoided returning but my memory is of it being powerfully unsettling
 

suspended

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CS Lewis said:
I believe that in all men’s lives at certain periods, and in many men’s lives at all periods between infancy and extreme old age, one of the most dominant elements is the desire to be inside the local Ring and the terror of being left outside. This desire, in one of its forms, has indeed had ample justice done to it in literature. I mean, in the form of snobbery. Victorian fiction is full of characters who are hag-ridden by the desire to get inside that particular Ring which is, or was, called Society.
 

suspended

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I must not assume that you have ever first neglected, and finally shaken off, friends whom you really loved and who might have lasted you a lifetime, in order to court the friendship of those who appeared to you more important, more esoteric. I must not ask whether you have derived actual pleasure from the loneliness and humiliation of the outsiders after you, yourself were in: whether you have talked to fellow members of the Ring in the presence of outsiders simply in order that the outsiders might envy; whether the means whereby, in your days of probation, you propitiated the Inner Ring, were always wholly admirable. I will ask only one question—and it is, of course, a rhetorical question which expects no answer. IN the whole of your life as you now remember it, has the desire to be on the right side of that invisible line ever prompted you to any act or word on which, in the cold small hours of a wakeful night, you can look back with satisfaction? If so, your case is more fortunate than most.
 

william_kent

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He went down to London in December, 2000, for what should have been a high point in his career: DJ'ing with Texas at Brixton Academy, as part of the support acts for Madonna's big comeback show. "The VIP area was a collection of the most famous people in the world," Rae remembers. "Mick Jagger, Sting, Kylie Minogue – every single famous person in Britain was in the VIP room and every single one of them looked at me, and then looked away quickly." This moment was to prove to be a "massive blow" to Rae psychologically.
"I had a pit-in-my-stomach moment where I realised every single person in this room was a cunt and that their egos were like an aftershave of horror; that the whole thing was a bubble of shite. There was no love in the room and no actual music in the room, only self-importance. And from that experience onwards I've never wanted to do the same thing again."
 
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