The Invisibles by Grant Morrision - study group and exegisis

[IdleRich]

is it about perception?

if you watch the water go down the plughole, you perceive the speed as faster for the water going down, right by the hole, whereas when the water is not near the hole, it appears to move more slowly.

when in reality there's no difference in the speed?

doesn't sound right - i dunno.

There is a difference in speed, if the vortex is as we usually perceive it you could visualise it as a solid wheel turning right? In which case it's moving faster near the edge, slowest at the middle.
I mean you could have a more complex one with it all moving at different speeds but then that wouldn't look like a vortex, more of... a mess?

 

[IdleRich]

think about a record spinning. the needle does a full circuit every rotation, but it travels covers a greater distance at the outside than it does in the last groove

Yeah exactly. And presumably they have to adapt the gaps between the information in the groove to accommodate that although I dunno much about it.
I like the way that concepts have to be explained in terms of music apocrypha on dissensus.

 

[luka]

A Descent Into The Maelstrom by Edgar Allan Poe

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[luka]

The 'flat white' advsncing through England after its introduction to London, like the knowledge of metalworking from the near east.

 

[luka]

archaeologists track the rate of dissemination, like a mile a year, moving west into Europe.

 

[IdleRich]

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First thing i thought of strangely enough.

 

[luka]

Can you get a flat white in the north? Highly unlikely. Espresso, maybe.

 

[IdleRich]

The 'flat white' advsncing through England after its introduction to London, like the knowledge of metalworking from the near east.

Remember girlfriend in Folkestone going off to buy a flat white, a Guardian and.... I forget what the third thing was, but she came back with an Americano, a Telegraph and another substitution.
Then again on South End beach she asked the fish and chips guy if he had tofu.

 

[woops]

Can you get a flat white in the north? Highly unlikely. Espresso, maybe.

Perhaps in cities

 

[catalog]

you can get a flat white no problem, but i have an americano with hot milk. but hot milk can be a challenge. although if you ask nicely, they'll do it.

but what's this got to do with vortices? I think i've missed something.

and we've established that what the guy is saying about time in the comic is incorrect? his analogy is wrong?

 

[woops]

Yeah exactly. And presumably they have to adapt the gaps between the information in the groove to accommodate that although I dunno much about it.
I like the way that concepts have to be explained in terms of music apocrypha on dissensus.

The master is cut by a similar process to playing back with a needle, so inner grooves are cut at a smaller scale than outer grooves with some loss of quality hence the disco 12"

 

[IdleRich]

Yeah I did know that really. It has to be doesn't it when you think about it.

 

[WashYourHands]

Stars at the edges of spiral galaxies rotate around the galactic centre at the same speed as those further in to the structure.

Never dosed myself fully with Morrison. Hyper-sigils are one thing, but Arkham Asylum was such a hit of wonder. Forced my hand because it’s in storage somewhere and now I have to find it. The artwork was like a trip (not as a cheap metaphor) where you reach a peak experience and there isn’t really any secure surface to land on after that blast. It’s all in the Joker’s eyes



Still captures a relentless madness.

The Incal has always been a loyal old friend. Been trying to find the 2000AD feature of the world’s first one tonne man to no avail, discovered in a dentist’s waiting room prior to getting gassed out. Came round to visions of eating contests and dribbling blood. Slayer!

 

[version]

Is Morrison another one like Moore who insists on sticking a bunch of rapey shit in his stories?

 

[catalog]

I think not but I've not read that much of him. He seems more straight up creepy rather than black darkness inside. Watch that video that vim posted, you'll get a sense of him. He's what some might call smarmy? I still don't know what to think of him. I might read some tonight. Still got a few screenshots to share.

 

[constant escape]

The moving faster/slower thing into a vortex might be a matter of relativity. And I'm not sure if vortices exhibit any of the same properties of black holes, but the way I've heard black holes explained is that the perspective moving into the black hole, Alice, moves at a consistent pace. But from the perspective of spectator Bob, Alice seems to asymptotically approach the shell of the black hole, appearing to "pancake" onto its surface, along with all of the other light that has travelled into the black hole.

But this is according to Bob's perspective, from which the shell of the black hole is essentially some kind of asymptotic palimpsest of all light that has entered into it, because past that asymptote - within that shell - photons aren't able to resist the extreme gravity of the singularity.

That said, the perspective of Alice is only theoretical here, as far as I can tell, seeing as she could well be disintegrated or something upon passing the event horizon, which I believe just denotes the shell/asymptote.

 

[luka]

Tom O Bedlam is the magic tramp from The Box Of Delights

 

[woops]

after pissing about with .cbrs for ages it took me about 10 seconds to found the goods here in a much easier (for me) to read format and less work for catalog

 

[DannyL]

Perhaps in cities

Are there cities in the North? Surely not.

 

[HMGovt’s Glorious Return!]

Been trying to find the 2000AD feature of the world’s first one tonne man to no avail, discovered in a dentist’s waiting room prior to getting gassed out. Came round to visions of eating contests and dribbling blood. Slayer!

Two ton Tony tubbs