Collage

[luka]

There's precedents but as WYHs list makes clear the 80s mainstreamed it, the 90s perfects it. Third rightly stresses that hardcore is a collage

 

[luka]

80s collage is loose and experimental 90s is laser focusessed on what works

 

[luka]

There's a bagginess about the 80s, the magic is almost experimental, it bubbles up from the soup

 

[luka]

The frame is the same but there's been a efficiency and productivity drive

 

[luka]

The 90s is lean and muscular. Both superme and superb but different

 

[version]

There's a Greek guy called Jar Moff who did a trilogy of albums/sample collages I liked.

 

[luka]

No music is real post Wiley it's some weird simulacrum just an illusion

 

[WashYourHands]

Max Ernst had some banging tracks.

 

[mvuent]

collage was an archaic, outdated musical form by the late 60s. and that's if we're being generous. sorry to the cavemen who are still awed by it but those are the facts.

 

[luka]

Yes but I had a specific drunk meaning which you can't understand and i can't remember

 

[luka]

It was basically listening to cabaret Voltaire then switching to early 90s hardcore

 

[craner]

 

[kumar]

the 80s has that hamfisted sampling everywhere that gets streamlined later on. thats why that glenn underground trakc i put on here a while ago really surprised me, the vocal bits have that same clunkiness

feels more like this

the 80s collage stuff sounds like someone painstakingly splicing tapes together, offcuts all over the floor wheras hardcore sounds like someone sitting down to make a tune only to pass out and come to their senses 2 hours later with no idea how they made it

 

[bun-u]

Carl Stone is prolific and great collager

 

[Benny Bunter]

The collage approach really appeals to me and I think is something that has been sadly lost now for a long time. It's a big part of why I've become so obsessed with late 80s Todd Terry. But maybe he's right on the brink of the 80s experimental bagginess you describe and the lean and functional 90s.

I can't quite understand (megamix)

Thats probably the most exciting record ever made for me right now

 

[version]

 

[WashYourHands]

Hailer Trio? I’m not sure of the exact range of production methods AM has used over an extensive discography. It’s tricky to clarify, but it sounds like collage across tracts of his compositions. Juxtapositions are one thing. In the background working, so much oddness creeps out, fun too. Problem is you have to cut through a lot of pretentious filler, but there is gold.

There’s also relational theory in classical music (tedium), not sure about specific composers, far more collage in effect

Matthew Shlomowitz - relational

Matthew Shlomowitz, composer

www.shlom.com

 

[WashYourHands]

 

[WashYourHands]

Charles Ives, 1874-1954

To hear the music of composer Charles Ives is to hear a unique voice in American music, and indeed, in Western music as a whole. His work is at once iconoclastic and closely tied to his musical heritage; in its conception and form, both staggeringly complex and immediately...

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[version]

That cover reminds me of Rufige Kru and American Psycho.